Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project?

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
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Subject	Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project?
Date	2013-06-01 18:05 +0200
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Paul Rubin wrote:

> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes:
>> No, the "agile" process does not work well for languages with separate
>> compilation.
> 
> I don't think there's a single "agile" process; there's generally a
> family of them.  Separate compilation possibly broke the flow of
> programming in the old days when a build took minutes or longer, but
> these days (depending on the project) it's less of an issue.

Maybe, especially with tools like Eclipse which do the compiling for you in 
the background, while you are editing.  So you don't even issue make (or 
whatever build tool you use, let that be scons or ant).

>> So you were lucky that the things did fit together.  I don't have such
>> luck with Android.
> 
> I don't know much about Android except that it's kind of its own
> universe.

With the "quickly slammed together and then abandoned" feeling for whatever 
module you look at ;-).  If Google fixes some problems with older Android 
releases, it's typically that they introduce an entire new API or so...  but 
they try hard to keep backwards compatibility.  If you just change the API 
level, your program stops to work, because now the newer API has other bugs 
to work around ;-).

> The board I used was sort of like a small desktop computer.
> It ran pretty much the same software.

Sounds reasonable.

>> I've added pthread support to Gforth last year, and a message/event
>> mechanism, which made it very easy to synchronize processes without
>> having to think a lot.  The message itself is delivered atomically.
> 
> OK cool, but is that just for the benefit of multicore?  Does gforth
> have a cooperative multitasker?

Yes, Gforth had a cooperative multitasker for quite some time.  The 
preemtive is a plug-in replacement, i.e. it uses the same words to create 
tasks and such.  There are new things in it which the cooperative didn't 
have, like locks and the event-style messaging.

> Anyway, either of those is a case for GC.  Say you allocate a string
> with a blob of text.  Now you want to upload the text, so you send it
> (pass by reference) to the upload thread; you also want to save it to a
> file, so you send it to the file thread; similarly the analysis thread,
> and so on.  Each of those threads keeps the string around for a while
> and then doesn't need it any more.  Which one finishes last is
> non-deterministic.  How are you going to manually manage the storage?

Probably by reference counting.  I haven't seen that sort of data flow not, 
the usual data flow is similar to a pipeline.  E.g. one process reads data 
from a MKV file, converts it into MTS, and another process consumes the MTS.  
With this single producer:consumer relation, it's easy: The producer 
allocates, the consumer frees.

If I would need reference counting, I would very likely put that into the 
pass-by-reference routine, so that there is a small central place where the 
reference counting happens.

>> the algorithm to restart a crashed application is to ask it,
> 
> How do you "ask it"?  The context is a bare metal, cooperative
> multitasker, with one of the tasks in a hard loop.  Hardware reset
> by a watchdog seems like the main approach.

Usually, a program has some way to respond to a query.  Let's say you have a 
cooperative multitasker Forth with one task is still interpreting commands 
from the serial port.  So you send a return, and expect an "ok".  If you get 
your "ok", the Forth system is still up and running.

Hardware watchdogs work somewhat different, there, the program itself polls 
the watchdog.  This can be troublesome, as people tend to add a watchdog 
poll if their part of the program gets killed by the watchdog.

>> The debugging effort went more into finguring out what commands I
>> actually want to send in which order,
> 
> Right, the JSON approach is just throw all the data into a blob, parse
> it at the other side, and then pick out the relevant fields as needed.

Yes, with the JSON approach, your remote Go playing robot would probably get 
the complete board (with locations where white and black stones are located) 
each round, and then has to keep a copy of the previous board to figure out 
what moves to make.  My Go robot doesn't even know that it is playing Go.  
It just knows how to move stones/balls around.

>> On the launchpads, you would rather write small programs.
> 
> The MSP430 launchpad is small, the ARM launchpads are bigger (256k of
> program flash and 32k of ram for the one I have, I think).

Yes, the ARM launchpads are for medium sized programs.  No Linux, no Python.  
Not sure about Lua.

>>>> and you also miss the fact that data is code.
>>> I'm used to this from Lisp, where it's a lot easier.
>> No, in Lisp, code is data.  That's something slightly, but still
>> substantially different.
> 
> Lisp has had EVAL since the beginning, so data is code as well
> as the other way around:
> 
>     Welcome to GNU CLISP 2.47 (2008-10-23) <http://clisp.cons.org/>
>     [1]> (defvar code '(+ 2 2))
>     CODE
>     [2]> code
>     (+ 2 2)
>     [3]> (eval code)
>     4
> 
> Python also has eval.  In both cases its use is considered suspicious
> though.

Yes, but this suspicion about eval is that the code is data thing is not a 
bidirectional relation.

>> strings: They tend to end up somewhere in a named variable, anyways,
>> so I just keep them there, and have operations to add/insert stuff.
> 
> Sounds hazardous in concurrent programs.

Make sure the data and the program "belong" together.  E.g. by using 
objects.  In general, I would advice to write concurrent programs with 
producer/consumer relations, so that you don't have multiple writes 
(multiple readers are ok).

>> I've already got my successful Forth entry 11 years ago, rank 10 of
>> 168 (and IIRC, I was the only single-person entry in the top-ten):
>> http://bernd-paysan.de/icfp.html
> 
> Wow, that's pretty neat, congrats.

Thanks.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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  Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 12:47 -0700
    Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-26 14:07 -0700
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    Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-26 14:09 -0700
      Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? oh2aun@gmail.com - 2013-05-26 20:37 -0700
    Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-27 05:21 -0500
      Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? oh2aun@gmail.com - 2013-05-27 08:05 -0700
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-05-27 17:45 +0200
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-27 08:58 -0700
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-27 15:57 +0000
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            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-29 16:08 +0200
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                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-07 00:59 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-07 01:11 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-07 09:48 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-07 08:25 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-11 15:33 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-06-07 08:28 -0500
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                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-08 22:24 -0700
  Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 12:08 -0400
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  Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-27 22:24 -0700
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                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-30 01:22 -0700
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                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-31 23:21 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? mhx@iae.nl - 2013-05-31 15:07 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-06-01 08:55 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 00:41 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-01 13:52 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-03 16:07 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-03 07:56 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-03 11:20 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-04 12:30 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-06-04 21:47 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-05 00:58 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-06-05 21:09 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-05 15:50 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-06-05 22:06 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-06-05 15:26 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-12 16:41 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-12 16:46 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-13 22:44 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-13 20:54 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-14 03:03 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-14 14:21 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-06-04 16:06 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-06-01 02:20 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-01 17:32 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-06-01 19:26 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-02 01:13 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 00:39 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-01 18:05 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-02 00:45 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-02 08:34 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-03 01:57 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-03 19:37 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-03 17:37 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-06-04 08:03 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-03 21:22 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-04 01:18 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-04 08:41 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-06-04 10:46 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-06-04 05:43 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-04 08:49 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-05 00:48 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-31 09:27 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-31 11:27 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-31 06:16 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-31 11:36 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-31 09:52 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-31 12:10 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-31 10:30 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-01 00:06 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:07 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 16:01 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-30 13:20 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-30 09:32 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-30 09:30 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-05-31 09:38 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-01 01:40 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 22:50 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-30 13:11 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-30 13:08 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 16:24 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:49 -0400
    Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 10:54 -0400
      Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-28 15:27 +0000
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-28 09:31 -0700
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 19:08 -0400
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-29 03:51 +0000
              Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 13:04 -0400
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Pavel Klinkovsky <pavel.klinkovsky@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 00:12 -0700
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 13:05 -0400
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-28 09:32 -0700
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 19:05 -0400
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-29 00:16 -0700
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-29 00:22 -0700
              Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-29 01:23 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-05-29 09:35 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-29 05:37 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-29 04:53 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-29 08:39 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 15:25 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 23:05 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:57 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 15:16 -0400
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 13:15 -0400
      Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? daveyrotten <danw8804@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 09:21 -0700
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 19:10 -0400
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? daveyrotten <danw8804@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 18:40 -0700
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-28 19:33 -0700
              Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? daveyrotten <danw8804@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 04:31 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 16:12 -0400
  Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-06-11 16:29 -0700

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