Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project?

From	mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix)
Subject	Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project?
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Date	2013-06-05 22:06 +0200
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anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project?

> mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) writes:
[..]
>>But for a native code Forth the practical implementation becomes unmanageable. 

> Iterating over words in a wordlist or getting, e.g., the name of a
> word has nothing to do with whether a Forth produces native code or
> not.  Looking into a colon definition would admittedly be a more
> adventurous proposal, but not unmanageable.  It's more a question of
> whether the benefits are worth the costs.

>>: foo 3 + ;
>>: bar 77 foo foo ;
>>: fuu bar 12 foo / . ;
>>
>>What do you want to happen when doing  SEE foo ?

>Sometimes this, sometimes that, that's why we have several SEE words
>in Gforth.  SEE itself is trying to recreate something close to the
>source code, SIMPLE-SEE shows the threaded-code level, and SEE-CODE
>shows the threaded and native code levels.

In that case (using extra words with closely defined behavior), 
there will be no problems. I was afraid the demand would come 
to reproduce source from compiled code.

[..]
>>Whatever you get, it will be a lie. 

> Why do you write that?

You can get tokens and/or compiled code for a certain definition.
SEEing that compiled code tells you nothing about what the code
will look when it is used in another definition. Also, SEE of 
a kernel word gets you the code that would be interpreted, not
necessarily the one that is compiled (there are other tricks 
for that). The only way to be relatively sure is to compile
the word that you want to execute and disassemble it to see
where it goes. 

>>SEE fuu will have no relation to  foo  .
>>Some (future) systems will eventually garbage collect foo and bar, or may
>>refuse to show code at all ( unless you do ' foo :-)

> FOO and BAR can always be called from the text interpreter, so they
> are not garbage as far as GC is concerned.

Hanno Schwalm is extremely fond of executables and SAVE-SYSTEM .
It is possible that a rebooted system does not have references
to dead code anymore. 

>>In iForth
>>
>>FORTH> : foo 3 + ;   ok
>>FORTH> see foo
>>Flags: TOKENIZE, ANSI
>>: foo  3 + ;  ok

> Well, there you have it!  Better than the (threaded-code-based)
> Gforth.  Unmanageable?

What I showed here is by definition manageable. The problem
starts when you want something different.

>>FORTH> see fuu
>>Flags: ANSI
>>$01405640  : fuu
>>$0140564A  push          5 b#
>>$0140564C  jmp           .+10 ( $0113A072 ) offset NEAR

>This could be decompiled to

>: fuu 5 . ;

As we say in the Netherlands 'put a pair of wheels under grandma
and we have a trolleybus.'

> or the Forth system might retain some intermediate forth (like VFX
> does for inlining) and use that for decompiling.

I am sure VFX does not keep the intermediate code for all high-level 
words in that million-line application they support.

In iForth there is no intermediate code whenever the word
stops being a candidate for inlining. Doing I/O is a reason
to not ever being inlined.

> The question is which capability clients of such an introspection
> interface would prefer?  For some it may not matter, others may prefer
> staying close to the source, some may prefer something close to the
> executed code.

Unfortunately, the *only* demand I remember in this direction is for the
feature I absolutely can *not* support: tell the name of a word when given
the address of its compiled code. (That's in brew, which you helpfully
promoted to a standard benchmark).

>>We could use LOCATE , but LOCATE fuu wouldn't work (console definition).

> I don't think the Forth source code is easier to handle than the
> native code, on the contrary (as the VFX source inliner demonstrated):
> source code depends on quite a bit of system state that we probably
> don't want to deal with in the client of such an introspection
> interface.

As I said, the only dump that doesn't lie is the disassembler output.
But with LOCATE I see the stack arguments and a few lines of comments, 
which is most often exactly what is needed.

-marcel

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                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-06-04 21:47 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-05 00:58 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-06-05 21:09 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-05 15:50 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-06-05 22:06 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-06-05 15:26 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-12 16:41 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-12 16:46 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-13 22:44 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-13 20:54 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-14 03:03 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the 'best' processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-14 14:21 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-06-04 16:06 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-06-01 02:20 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-01 17:32 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-06-01 19:26 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-02 01:13 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 00:39 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-01 18:05 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-02 00:45 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-02 08:34 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-03 01:57 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-03 19:37 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-03 17:37 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-06-04 08:03 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-03 21:22 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-04 01:18 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-04 08:41 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-06-04 10:46 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-06-04 05:43 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-04 08:49 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-05 00:48 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-31 09:27 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-31 11:27 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-31 06:16 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-31 11:36 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-31 09:52 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-31 12:10 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-31 10:30 -1000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-01 00:06 +0200
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:07 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 16:01 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-30 13:20 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-30 09:32 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-30 09:30 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-05-31 09:38 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-01 01:40 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 22:50 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-30 13:11 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-30 13:08 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 16:24 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:49 -0400
    Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 10:54 -0400
      Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-28 15:27 +0000
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-28 09:31 -0700
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 19:08 -0400
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-29 03:51 +0000
              Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 13:04 -0400
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Pavel Klinkovsky <pavel.klinkovsky@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 00:12 -0700
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 13:05 -0400
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-28 09:32 -0700
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 19:05 -0400
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-29 00:16 -0700
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-29 00:22 -0700
              Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-29 01:23 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-05-29 09:35 +0000
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-29 05:37 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-29 04:53 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-29 08:39 -0500
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 15:25 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-01 23:05 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:57 -0400
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 15:16 -0400
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 13:15 -0400
      Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? daveyrotten <danw8804@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 09:21 -0700
        Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 19:10 -0400
          Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? daveyrotten <danw8804@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 18:40 -0700
            Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-28 19:33 -0700
              Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? daveyrotten <danw8804@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 04:31 -0700
                Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 16:12 -0400
  Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-06-11 16:29 -0700

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