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Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95

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First post2015-09-10 12:59 +0000
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  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-10 12:59 +0000
    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-10 10:21 -0500
      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-10 10:54 -0500
        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-10 11:43 -0500
          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-10 14:07 -0400
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-10 14:00 -0500
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-10 14:05 -0500
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-10 15:58 -0400
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-11 19:04 -0500
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-11 23:29 -0400
          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-10 12:47 -0700
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-10 19:03 -0500
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-11 10:21 +1000
        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-10 21:54 +0000
      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-11 12:48 +0000
        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 05:05 +1000
          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-12 13:24 +0000
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 04:27 +1000
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-12 14:12 -0500
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-13 06:51 +1000
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-12 21:47 -0500
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-12 22:53 -0500
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-13 17:46 -0500
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-13 17:16 -0700
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-14 10:17 -0500
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-15 04:48 +1000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-13 21:13 -0700
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-14 18:06 -0500
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-13 14:20 +1000
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-13 10:28 +0000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-13 10:54 -0500
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-13 21:15 -0700
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-13 23:01 -0700
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-14 04:18 +1000
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-12 19:38 -0700
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2015-09-13 12:20 +0000
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 21:45 +0100
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-13 13:43 +0000
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 10:30 -0500
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-13 17:14 -0700
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-14 07:00 +0000
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-14 12:50 +0000
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:13 -0500
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-15 13:07 +0000
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 04:31 +1000
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-14 16:35 -0500
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 07:58 +0100
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-15 08:14 +0000
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-15 13:16 +0200
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-15 10:12 +0100
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-15 17:48 +0000
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-15 11:51 +0000
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-15 16:03 +0200
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-15 16:01 +0100
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-15 19:29 +0000
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-15 20:13 +0000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-15 20:12 +0000
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-16 11:39 +0000
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-16 11:54 +0000
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-15 13:07 +0000
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-15 06:14 -0700
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-15 14:55 +0100
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-15 16:05 +0100
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-16 12:54 +0000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 14:27 +0100
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-16 14:49 +0000
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 10:43 -0500
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-16 16:43 +0000
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 19:12 +0100
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-16 11:21 -0700
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-16 15:02 +0000
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-16 08:08 -0700
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-16 11:04 -0500
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-16 10:45 -0700
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 03:58 +0000
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-17 13:34 +0000
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 18:02 +0000
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-17 12:50 -0700
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-17 07:33 -0700
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-16 16:43 +0000
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-16 10:11 -0700
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-16 13:53 -0500
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-16 18:08 -0700
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-16 21:34 -0400
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-16 21:15 -0500
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-16 19:17 -0700
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-17 08:30 -0400
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 16:15 +0000
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-17 15:36 -0400
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 19:51 +0000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-17 16:27 -0400
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 17:25 -0500
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 03:58 +0000
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-17 07:11 -0500
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-17 08:58 -0400
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-17 13:34 +0000
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-17 16:35 +0200
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-18 13:19 +0000
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-18 09:58 -0700
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-18 10:25 -0700
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-19 16:29 +0000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-18 19:43 +0000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-18 18:36 -0500
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-19 03:24 +0000
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-19 10:06 +0100
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-17 13:34 +0000
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 22:14 +0000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-16 13:40 +0000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-16 16:43 +0000
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-16 10:52 -0700
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-18 11:46 +0000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-18 11:54 +0000
                  Decimal point character and billions (was: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95) "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:02 +0100
                    Re: Decimal point character and billions (was: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-15 14:40 -0500
                      Re: Decimal point character and billions (was: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-15 19:50 -0700
                        Re: Decimal point character and billions (was: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-16 08:00 -0700
                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-16 11:06 -0500
                            Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-16 18:38 +0200
                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Scion <a.b@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-25 13:02 +0000
                            Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-17 09:45 +0100
                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-17 08:34 -0500
                                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-18 12:35 +0100
                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-18 11:54 +0000
                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-18 21:23 -0500
                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-19 03:24 +0000
                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-19 11:09 +0100
                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-19 16:52 -0500
                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-19 22:09 -0500
                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 07:27 +0000
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 10:50 +0100
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-20 15:04 +0000
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:50 -0700
                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-21 12:36 +0000
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 15:43 -0500
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-20 20:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-21 07:00 +0000
                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:19 +0100
                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 11:36 -0500
                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 10:15 +0200
                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-21 09:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-21 21:33 +0200
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-22 11:51 +0100
                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-21 07:03 -0700
                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 16:29 +0000
                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 11:39 -0500
                                                          Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-21 10:35 -0700
                                                            Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 13:45 -0500
                                                              Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-21 19:06 +0000
                                                                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 15:00 -0500
                                                                  Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-22 14:01 +0000
                                                                    Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-22 10:29 -0500
                                                                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-09-22 15:47 +0100
                                                                  Re: power supplies Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 16:27 +0100
                                                                    Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 17:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-22 14:28 -0400
                                                                        Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-22 11:58 -0700
                                                                          Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 04:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-22 15:09 -0500
                                                                        Re: power supplies Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-22 18:11 -0700
                                                                          Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-22 22:16 -0400
                                                                          Re: power supplies JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 07:37 -0500
                                                                          Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 11:06 -0500
                                                                            Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-23 16:33 +0000
                                                                            Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:26 -0700
                                                                        Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 04:37 +0000
                                                                          Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-23 08:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:44 +0000
                                                                              Re: power supplies "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:17 -0500
                                                                                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 23:35 -0400
                                                                                  Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 07:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 23:41 -0400
                                                                                Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-28 09:34 +0000
                                                                                  Re: power supplies Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:29 +0000
                                                                                    Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-28 06:28 -0500
                                                                                      Re: power supplies Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 13:05 +0000
                                                                                      Re: power supplies JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:07 -0500
                                                                                        Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 16:09 -0400
                                                                                          Re: power supplies Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-29 07:04 +0000
                                                                                    Re: power supplies Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-28 16:28 +0000
                                                                                    Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-28 19:28 +0200
                                                                                      Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 16:00 -0400
                                                                                    Re: power supplies rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-29 06:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: power supplies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 08:58 +0000
                                                                            Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:45 +0000
                                                                              Re: power supplies "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:20 -0500
                                                                    Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-23 08:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 11:09 -0500
                                                                        Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-23 16:31 +0000
                                                                          Re: power supplies Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-23 11:20 -0700
                                                                        Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:38 -0700
                                                                      Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-24 13:35 +0000
                                                                          Re: power supplies sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-30 18:35 -0400
                                                                            Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-01 13:17 +0000
                                                                              Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-01 08:27 -0500
                                                                              Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-02 14:42 +0000
                                                                                Re: power supplies Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-02 19:17 +0100
                                                                                  Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-02 15:14 -0400
                                                                                    Re: power supplies JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 14:20 -0500
                                                                                    Re: power supplies Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-02 20:15 -0500
                                                                                      Re: power supplies Michele <havana9@bigmailbox.net> - 2015-10-04 23:41 +0200
                                                                            Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-01 13:27 +0000
                                                                              Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-04 14:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: power supplies "Hanny Z" <hz@nospam.com> - 2015-10-05 03:46 +1100
                                                                                Re: power supplies Michele <havana9@bigmailbox.net> - 2015-10-04 23:51 +0200
                                                                                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-05 12:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-05 17:29 +0000
                                                                                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-05 07:16 -0700
                                                                                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-05 15:37 +0100
                                                                                  Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-05 17:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-09-23 09:53 +0100
                                                                      Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0000
                                                                        Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-09-23 13:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 20:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:46 -0500
                                                                        Re: power supplies Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-23 12:42 -0500
                                                                        Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 14:50 -0400
                                                                          Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:51 -0700
                                                              Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-22 10:31 -0700
                                                                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-24 14:18 -0500
                                                                  Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 21:36 +0200
                                                                    Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-24 15:05 -0500
                                                                      Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 22:21 +0200
                                                                    Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 13:49 -0700
                                                                    steam coold, too, was: power supplies danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-09-25 02:22 +0000
                                                                      Re: steam coold, too, was: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-25 07:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 13:44 -0700
                                                                    Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 10:36 -0500
                                                                      Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-25 10:51 -0500
                                                                        Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 14:10 -0500
                                                                          Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-25 12:33 -0700
                                                                            Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 15:07 -0500
                                                                          Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-25 20:21 +0000
                                                                            Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-26 16:04 -0500
                                                                              Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-27 07:01 -0400
                                                                      Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 16:42 +0000
                                                                      Re: power supplies sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-30 18:42 -0400
                                                            Re: power supplies Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:14 +0200
                                                            Re: power supplies Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 15:43 +0100
                                                            Re: power supplies Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2015-09-23 07:47 -0600
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 20:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 15:41 -0500
                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:26 +0000
                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-22 23:58 +0200
                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 15:48 +0100
                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2015-09-24 12:13 +0800
                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 11:30 -0500
                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 21:52 +0200
                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 18:10 -0500
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:35 +0000
                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 20:27 -0500
                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 01:55 +0000
                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:36 +0200
                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-21 22:11 -0500
                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 16:02 +0100
                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-22 10:40 -0500
                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 17:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-22 10:46 -0500
                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 17:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-23 06:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 08:57 +0000
                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-22 10:51 -0500
                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 02:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0000
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 19:23 +0100
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 11:34 -0700
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 14:58 -0500
                                                                              accurate watches, was: Decimal point character and billions danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-09-23 20:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: accurate watches, was: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:49 -0500
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:05 -0500
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:01 -0500
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:47 -0700
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 18:52 +0000
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 12:14 -0700
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 16:00 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 01:23 +0000
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-25 09:07 +0100
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-23 14:52 +0200
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-23 14:05 -0500
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 12:55 -0700
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:13 -0500
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-24 00:46 +0200
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-24 17:50 -0700
                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-22 10:53 -0500
                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 02:30 +0100
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-22 22:12 -0500
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-23 06:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-22 19:22 +0000
                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0100
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 10:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-24 07:43 +0100
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-23 12:46 -0500
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 18:56 -0500
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-24 04:05 +0100
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 22:31 -0700
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 15:49 -0500
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-24 11:05 +0000
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 16:30 +0200
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 08:12 -0700
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 18:52 +0000
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 16:02 -0500
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 01:23 +0000
                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:28 +0200
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:17 +0200
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2015-09-22 11:41 -0700
                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-23 14:46 +0200
                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-23 17:12 +0200
                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-23 10:45 -0500
                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:26 +0000
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-21 22:09 -0400
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:25 +0200
                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-22 07:00 +0000
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-21 21:37 +0000
                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-20 18:26 +0100
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-20 19:34 +0100
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 22:27 +0000
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-21 09:16 +0100
                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 15:33 -0500
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-20 15:39 -0500
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:31 -0500
                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-21 21:37 +0000
                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-20 16:26 -0500
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-20 21:28 +0000
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-21 09:23 +0100
                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-20 10:22 +0000
                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 16:48 +0000
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:01 -0500
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 22:27 +0000
                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions mausg@mail.com - 2015-09-21 10:28 +0000
                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 16:29 +0000
                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions mausg@mail.com - 2015-09-21 20:03 +0000
                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 21:49 +0200
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-21 17:05 -0500
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-21 18:03 +0200
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-22 00:45 -0400
                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-20 12:56 -0500
                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 15:52 -0500
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 01:20 +0200
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-21 18:07 +0200
                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-20 18:18 +0100
                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:20 -0500
                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-20 19:23 -0700
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 10:08 +0200
                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 14:11 -0500
                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-22 10:48 -0700
                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-26 17:08 -0500
                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 13:50 +1000
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-28 05:43 +0100
                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:08 +0000
                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:03 -0500
                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 10:55 -0500
                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 12:36 -0400
                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-28 09:54 -0700
                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 13:20 -0400
                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 19:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 15:12 -0400
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-28 17:01 -0400
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 17:15 -0400
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-28 17:05 -0700
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 20:49 -0400
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 07:32 -0400
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 18:36 -0500
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-29 03:07 +0100
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-29 10:38 -0500
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-29 12:53 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-29 18:15 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-29 12:14 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-29 12:24 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-29 20:26 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 12:16 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-01 10:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-29 17:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-29 07:47 +0200
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 07:36 -0400
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-29 13:35 +0000
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-29 10:26 -0500
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 17:15 -0400
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 11:52 -0700
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-30 22:54 +0200
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 09:02 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-30 21:59 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 14:49 +1000
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-09-30 20:09 -0400
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-01 05:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-01 15:13 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 05:40 +1000
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 14:34 +0000
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 13:45 +1000
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 11:59 -0700
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-30 19:14 +0000
                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 14:56 -0500
                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 16:08 -0400
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-28 13:30 -0700
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 17:12 -0400
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-29 13:55 +0000
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 15:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 17:13 -0500
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 21:22 -0400
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-29 07:52 +0200
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 07:52 -0500
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-02 16:41 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 18:55 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:10 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-05 16:20 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 16:05 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-06 17:17 -0500
                                                                                            Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 08:27 -0700
                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-07 15:22 -0500
                                                                                                Re: rationality David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-07 21:42 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-07 18:01 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: rationality simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-08 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 13:19 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-08 11:41 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-09 11:25 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-08 07:49 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: rationality simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-09 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 15:07 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-09 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-09 23:59 -0300
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-10 12:03 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-08 11:17 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:28 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 18:29 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-08 13:21 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-14 11:41 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-14 14:45 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 22:02 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-15 03:21 -0300
                                                                                                                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-15 08:53 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 13:53 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 11:32 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:36 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 15:15 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-09 22:50 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:06 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 13:49 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:02 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-09 14:23 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:20 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:16 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-10 15:00 -0300
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-10 20:11 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:19 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 22:21 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:32 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-10 21:47 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 15:54 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 21:39 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 19:43 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-12 21:29 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 16:33 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-13 15:25 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-13 19:06 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-14 11:23 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 12:46 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 09:17 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 09:24 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 13:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 16:20 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:34 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-12 17:59 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 02:05 -0300
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:05 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 03:15 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:45 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-13 15:13 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 20:52 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 03:29 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 03:45 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 08:20 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 18:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 16:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-14 16:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 21:59 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 11:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-15 06:43 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 10:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-15 16:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 12:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-15 17:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-15 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-15 07:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 10:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-15 12:27 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 11:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-15 13:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 14:21 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-14 10:37 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-13 15:26 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-13 16:16 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-13 17:57 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 03:15 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-28 13:17 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-28 14:48 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-28 12:34 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-28 21:09 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-29 07:32 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-28 17:06 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-29 01:12 -0300
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-29 04:47 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-29 16:34 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-29 11:11 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-29 16:32 -0300
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-29 15:31 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-10-29 14:48 -0600
                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-04 11:29 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-29 13:55 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-29 15:35 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-29 21:51 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-04 11:30 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-30 11:40 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-30 18:00 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-30 23:17 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-31 01:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-31 12:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-31 15:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-31 21:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-11-01 15:04 +1100
                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-01 10:07 -0600
                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-01 16:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-11-02 12:56 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-02 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-02 05:30 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-02 13:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-02 06:16 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-02 13:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-05 17:34 -0600
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-06 12:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 14:43 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 20:26 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-04 10:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-04 21:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-04 15:55 -0600
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-05 10:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-05 16:50 -0600
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 06:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 07:58 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 11:02 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-06 12:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 15:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-07 07:05 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 14:36 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 20:49 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-07 06:28 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-07 08:26 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-07 13:53 +1100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-06 14:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 12:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-11 19:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 13:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-11 17:05 -0600
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-12 00:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-12 00:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-04 23:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-05 07:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-06 06:27 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-05 11:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-05 14:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-11-05 14:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-05 12:46 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 17:52 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-11-06 02:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 16:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-02 10:12 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-04 10:49 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-04 12:53 -0600
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-04 14:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-04 20:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-06 08:33 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-05 22:33 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-06 08:30 +1100
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-02 10:43 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-11-03 07:05 +1100
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-04 08:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-06 13:55 +1100
                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-02 13:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-02 09:13 -0600
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2015-11-02 16:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-05 10:42 -0600
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-05 13:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 08:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-06 14:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-06 10:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 10:24 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-07 21:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-09 12:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-09 15:28 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 17:43 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-09 18:48 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-09 20:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 20:32 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-09 20:54 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-10 11:25 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-12 13:59 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-13 08:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 06:54 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-13 08:28 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-13 10:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 15:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-16 11:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-13 09:21 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-14 14:44 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-13 14:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-13 09:32 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-14 14:47 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-14 01:22 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-14 09:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-14 20:49 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-14 10:15 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-15 04:49 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 12:50 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-14 16:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 16:03 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-16 12:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-16 18:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 18:23 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-16 20:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-17 10:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-17 08:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: historicla archives hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-17 08:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: historicla archives Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-17 14:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: historicla archives hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-17 12:05 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: historicla archives JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 19:44 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: historicla archives Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-17 15:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: historicla archives Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-17 22:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 10:48 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-17 11:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 13:37 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-17 16:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 19:49 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-17 14:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-17 11:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-17 12:17 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-17 22:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 17:18 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-19 09:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-19 14:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-19 10:00 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-20 08:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-20 10:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 19:41 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-17 14:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-15 12:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 09:40 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2015-11-15 18:09 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-15 19:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-15 19:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-15 20:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-15 16:31 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-15 19:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-16 11:38 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-16 10:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-16 08:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-16 11:36 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-16 08:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-15 12:22 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-13 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-09 14:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 18:03 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-09 18:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 19:54 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-09 21:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 23:34 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality - Y2K Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-10 10:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-10 14:13 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-10 08:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-10 02:55 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-10 10:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-10 11:11 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-10 12:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-10 12:38 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-10 03:03 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 20:31 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-10 13:15 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 17:24 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-09 18:25 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 19:26 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-10 10:30 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-10 11:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-10 11:25 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-10 11:05 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 12:31 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-06 14:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-07 13:42 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 23:34 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-07 00:32 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-07 11:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-07 21:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-08 10:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-10 15:39 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-11 11:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-11 11:22 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-11 20:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-11 17:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 09:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-11 20:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-11 13:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-10 14:13 -0600
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-06 21:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-07 13:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-07 11:50 -0600
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-07 19:11 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-07 12:22 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 20:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-08 00:50 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-08 10:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-11-08 11:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-07 18:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-08 10:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-08 10:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-08 12:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-02 18:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-02 11:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-03 02:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-03 16:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-07 00:45 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 20:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-02 13:22 -0600
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-02 12:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-02 12:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-02 13:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-03 11:25 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-03 10:51 +1100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-02 17:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-02 18:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-03 13:18 +1100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 07:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-03 13:13 +1100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2015-11-02 21:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 07:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-03 16:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 11:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-03 13:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 16:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-03 16:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 11:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-04 11:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 16:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-05 10:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-05 14:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-05 12:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 08:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-07 21:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-08 16:56 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-11-08 03:23 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-08 11:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-08 15:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-08 16:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-11-08 14:18 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-08 22:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-09 09:53 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-09 08:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 00:10 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-11-09 04:22 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-09 05:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-09 12:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-09 17:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2015-11-09 10:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-09 17:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-09 14:45 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-09 15:08 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-10 11:09 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-10 01:19 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-10 07:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-11-10 12:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2015-11-15 15:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-15 16:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-16 14:23 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-16 12:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-16 15:49 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2015-11-16 21:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-16 18:36 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-17 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-16 21:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-09 12:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-09 22:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-11-09 19:04 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 13:15 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-11-09 16:23 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-09 16:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-10 09:44 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-11-09 23:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-09 18:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-10 00:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 20:14 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-10 14:19 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-12 13:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-12 16:53 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-13 00:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-13 19:11 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-13 09:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-13 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-14 20:46 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-14 20:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-15 10:29 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-13 17:50 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-09 14:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-09 15:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-09 16:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-09 13:27 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-09 09:22 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 14:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-11-09 13:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-09 18:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-10 07:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-11-09 11:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-09 11:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 08:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-08 06:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-09 13:37 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-08 16:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-09 14:46 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-10 10:59 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-08 16:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-09 13:31 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 23:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-09 14:41 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 08:06 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-06 13:53 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                    Overthrow Chinese Governmen  (Was: Re: rationality) mentificium@gmail.com - 2015-11-06 04:59 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-04 10:52 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-04 13:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-06 08:26 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-04 13:55 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-04 16:18 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-04 18:18 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-07 01:13 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-04 22:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-05 17:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-06 09:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 06:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-05 06:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-05 12:54 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-06 13:52 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-06 10:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-04 13:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-04 13:37 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 16:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-04 16:52 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-05 06:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-05 16:40 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 18:04 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-05 19:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 10:54 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 06:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 07:44 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality - bridge to somewhere Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-06 09:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 12:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 12:07 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 15:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-06 12:24 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 12:52 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 13:06 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 13:34 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 02:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 09:00 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-10 17:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-11 12:20 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 12:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-10 22:49 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-11 07:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-05 10:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-05 13:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-05 12:27 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-05 16:42 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 17:48 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-04 13:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-03 10:44 +1100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-03 10:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-03 10:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-06 12:04 -0600
                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-02 10:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-03 12:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-03 10:00 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 11:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-03 19:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-03 09:09 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-03 13:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-03 15:24 -0600
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-03 22:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-03 17:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-05 10:33 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-05 13:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-05 12:22 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-05 14:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-05 16:45 -0600
                                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-04 02:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-04 09:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-04 08:44 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-04 14:00 -0600
                                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-11-04 16:13 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 07:18 +1100
                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-01 13:59 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-04 11:32 -0600
                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:57 -0600
                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-05 10:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-11-02 12:55 +1100
                                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-04 11:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-04 11:07 -0600
                                                                                                                                    Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-04 07:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-05 13:18 +1100
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-29 16:27 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-29 17:19 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-29 18:15 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-29 13:45 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-29 23:46 -0300
                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-30 04:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-30 12:39 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-29 20:43 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-29 21:02 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-29 15:27 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-30 09:42 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-04 10:41 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: rationality David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-11-04 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-05 11:13 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: rationality David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-11-05 11:33 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-05 14:04 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-05 16:13 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-28 21:09 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-14 15:52 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: rationality simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-13 12:21 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-14 12:00 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 18:21 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-14 13:54 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-15 17:51 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-14 17:02 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-15 11:06 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-15 10:38 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-15 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 14:15 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 11:10 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-14 21:00 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: rationality simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-16 10:20 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-19 13:28 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-19 15:18 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-20 11:27 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: rationality Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-08 10:23 -0400
                                                                                                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-07 23:55 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:14 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-08 16:07 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-09 12:02 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-07 20:37 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:24 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-08 16:15 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-08 16:14 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-08 22:57 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-10-10 17:31 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-06 08:32 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-03 11:11 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 15:55 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-04 14:11 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-04 14:50 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-05 12:47 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-05 17:44 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-06 13:13 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-06 17:52 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions "Hanny Z" <hz@nospam.com> - 2015-10-06 09:26 +1100
                                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-07 20:40 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 16:12 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:14 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-06 12:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-29 10:07 -0400
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 15:05 +0000
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-29 10:40 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-29 12:35 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-29 13:03 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 16:48 +1000
                                                                                    Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 19:17 +0000
                                                                                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 17:25 -0400
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 09:37 +1000
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 19:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-29 19:25 -0500
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-30 02:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-09-30 03:35 -0300
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 16:58 +1000
                                                                              Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-30 06:25 -0400
                                                                        Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 15:00 +0000
                                                                          Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 21:36 -0500
                                                                            Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-30 11:03 +0000
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#151983 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2015-09-28 21:22 -0400
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<mucp1h$eat$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#151977
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:

> On 28-Sep-15 15:08, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>> Literal interpretation of Genesis is quite problematic; most of
>>> the conflict goes away if you assume it is metaphorical.  I can't
>>> recall any conflicts from the rest of the Bible, or at least ones
>>> that can't be easily waved aside as a "miracle".
>> 
>> It's interesting to hear the religious claim that the bible is
>> perfect containing no conflicts at all.  When I was younger, I
>> wondered how such a large book could be without any contradictions at
>> all.
>> 
>> Then I got an education.
>> [example]
>> There are online resources that raise a lot more issues.
>
> Indeed; IMHO, such efforts are misguided because believers don't care
> about inconsistencies in their scriptures and non-believers don't care
> about those scriptures in the first place.

Doesn't hurt to know that stuff.
It gives great insight into the way -they're- their minds work.
Glaring gaps of logic mean nothing.

>> Of course, there is the theory that if you wave your hands
>> sufficiently all these conflicts can be explained away.
>
> Of course.
>
>>> Amusingly, FSMers and satanists are doing a better job of fighting
>>> this battle than atheists are.  It's funny how quickly the nutjobs
>>> decide that maybe religion in schools isn't such a good idea as
>>> soon as other religions agree with them--and demand equal access.
>> 
>> I don't think atheists care to fight any kind of battle. They aren't
>> on the opposite side, they just don't play the game.
>
> The surest way to lose a war is failing to recognize you're in one.

Seems like the religious have plenty of reasons to kill each other.
As long as that's going on, non-believers seem to be "mostly safe".
If one faction wins out, trouble may start.
That seems unlikely.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#152001 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2015-09-29 07:52 +0200
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<rhlpdc-5t.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#151983
In article <mucp1h$eat$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen  <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>
>> On 28-Sep-15 15:08, Dan Espen wrote:
>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>> Literal interpretation of Genesis is quite problematic; most of
>>>> the conflict goes away if you assume it is metaphorical.  I can't
>>>> recall any conflicts from the rest of the Bible, or at least ones
>>>> that can't be easily waved aside as a "miracle".
>>> 
>>> It's interesting to hear the religious claim that the bible is
>>> perfect containing no conflicts at all.  When I was younger, I
>>> wondered how such a large book could be without any contradictions at
>>> all.
>>> 
>>> Then I got an education.
>>> [example]
>>> There are online resources that raise a lot more issues.
>>
>> Indeed; IMHO, such efforts are misguided because believers don't care
>> about inconsistencies in their scriptures and non-believers don't care
>> about those scriptures in the first place.
>
>Doesn't hurt to know that stuff.
>It gives great insight into the way -they're- their minds work.
>Glaring gaps of logic mean nothing.

Head over to sci.astro.amateur and look for oriel's postings.
He represents what Kepler, Galileo et al were up against. If
it isn't in scripture it doesn't exist, and he extrapolates 
"God's perfection" to absurd levels. After 20 years of coaching
by very good people he still doesn't get the sidereal vs solar
day time.

>>> Of course, there is the theory that if you wave your hands
>>> sufficiently all these conflicts can be explained away.
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>>>> Amusingly, FSMers and satanists are doing a better job of fighting
>>>> this battle than atheists are.  It's funny how quickly the nutjobs
>>>> decide that maybe religion in schools isn't such a good idea as
>>>> soon as other religions agree with them--and demand equal access.
>>> 
>>> I don't think atheists care to fight any kind of battle. They aren't
>>> on the opposite side, they just don't play the game.
>>
>> The surest way to lose a war is failing to recognize you're in one.
>
>Seems like the religious have plenty of reasons to kill each other.
>As long as that's going on, non-believers seem to be "mostly safe".
>If one faction wins out, trouble may start.
>That seems unlikely.

They all want to get the "infidels". 

-- mrr

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#152010 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

FromJimP <solosam90@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-29 07:52 -0500
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<3a2l0btnhg7crbcbjbb9biidpndu6arb9m@4ax.com>
In reply to#152001
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:52:27 +0200, Morten Reistad
<first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>In article <mucp1h$eat$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen  <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 28-Sep-15 15:08, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>> Literal interpretation of Genesis is quite problematic; most of
>>>>> the conflict goes away if you assume it is metaphorical.  I can't
>>>>> recall any conflicts from the rest of the Bible, or at least ones
>>>>> that can't be easily waved aside as a "miracle".
>>>> 
>>>> It's interesting to hear the religious claim that the bible is
>>>> perfect containing no conflicts at all.  When I was younger, I
>>>> wondered how such a large book could be without any contradictions at
>>>> all.
>>>> 
>>>> Then I got an education.
>>>> [example]
>>>> There are online resources that raise a lot more issues.
>>>
>>> Indeed; IMHO, such efforts are misguided because believers don't care
>>> about inconsistencies in their scriptures and non-believers don't care
>>> about those scriptures in the first place.
>>
>>Doesn't hurt to know that stuff.
>>It gives great insight into the way -they're- their minds work.
>>Glaring gaps of logic mean nothing.
>
>Head over to sci.astro.amateur and look for oriel's postings.
>He represents what Kepler, Galileo et al were up against. If
>it isn't in scripture it doesn't exist, and he extrapolates 
>"God's perfection" to absurd levels. After 20 years of coaching
>by very good people he still doesn't get the sidereal vs solar
>day time.

I encountered a fellow student at community college who quit about a
month before graduation because history, science, and math classes
violated some nonsense he falsely claimed was in the Bible.
-- 
JimP.

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#152219 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2015-10-02 16:41 -0700
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<te5u0bpega0d0mut7onbkdu1uu0indk2gm@4ax.com>
In reply to#152010
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:52:50 -0500, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>I encountered a fellow student at community college who quit about a
>month before graduation because history, science, and math classes
>violated some nonsense he falsely claimed was in the Bible.

     I am not claiming that he was correct, but why did it take him so
long to realise the conflict?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#152220 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

FromJimP <solosam90@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-02 18:55 -0500
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<qa6u0b1gq9ti4jlvu4543ua4btdicunm9c@4ax.com>
In reply to#152219
On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:41:46 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:52:50 -0500, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>I encountered a fellow student at community college who quit about a
>>month before graduation because history, science, and math classes
>>violated some nonsense he falsely claimed was in the Bible.
>
>     I am not claiming that he was correct, but why did it take him so
>long to realise the conflict?
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Gene Wirchenko

He didn't say. But it was a waste of time, according to him.
-- 
JimP.

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#152267 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2015-10-05 16:10 -0500
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<muuort$ng8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#152220
"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:qa6u0b1gq9ti4jlvu4543ua4btdicunm9c@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:41:46 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
> wrote:
>>On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:52:50 -0500, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>I encountered a fellow student at community college who quit about a
>>>month before graduation because history, science, and math classes
>>>violated some nonsense he falsely claimed was in the Bible.
>>
>>     I am not claiming that he was correct, but why did it take him so
>>long to realise the conflict?
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Gene Wirchenko
>
> He didn't say. But it was a waste of time, according to him.
>

Even if what was taught... was actually a waste of time, the fellow student 
had already "invested" a lot of time in the college courses.  Would that 
student *not* consider the "credential" of a diploma to be worth 
something???

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#152270 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2015-10-05 16:20 -0500
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<d7g7s2Fg9erU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#152267
"Charles Richmond" wrote:

> "JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:qa6u0b1gq9ti4jlvu4543ua4btdicunm9c@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:41:46 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:52:50 -0500, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>>I encountered a fellow student at community college who quit about a
>>>>month before graduation because history, science, and math classes
>>>>violated some nonsense he falsely claimed was in the Bible.
>>>
>>>     I am not claiming that he was correct, but why did it take him so
>>>long to realise the conflict?
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Gene Wirchenko
>>
>> He didn't say. But it was a waste of time, according to him.
>>
>
> Even if what was taught... was actually a waste of time, the fellow 
> student had already "invested" a lot of time in the college courses. 
> Would that student *not* consider the "credential" of a diploma to be 
> worth something???

Never, never, never assume people are rational. 

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#152333 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2015-10-06 16:05 -0500
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<mv1cvl$qjl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#152270
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:d7g7s2Fg9erU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Charles Richmond" wrote:
>
>> "JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:qa6u0b1gq9ti4jlvu4543ua4btdicunm9c@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:41:46 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:52:50 -0500, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>>I encountered a fellow student at community college who quit about a
>>>>>month before graduation because history, science, and math classes
>>>>>violated some nonsense he falsely claimed was in the Bible.
>>>>
>>>>     I am not claiming that he was correct, but why did it take him so
>>>>long to realise the conflict?
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>Gene Wirchenko
>>>
>>> He didn't say. But it was a waste of time, according to him.
>>>
>>
>> Even if what was taught... was actually a waste of time, the fellow 
>> student had already "invested" a lot of time in the college courses. 
>> Would that student *not* consider the "credential" of a diploma to be 
>> worth something???
>
> Never, never, never assume people are rational.

ISTM that one of the *most* irrational things that people do... is giving an 
irrational reason for doing something that itself is already irrational.  If 
you are going to do something irrational, why do you need a reason???  But 
then that is supposing rationality in the first place, I guess!!!

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#152349 — Re: Decimal point character and billions

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2015-10-06 17:17 -0500
SubjectRe: Decimal point character and billions
Message-ID<mv1h5i$e28$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#152333
On 06-Oct-15 16:05, Charles Richmond wrote:
> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Never, never, never assume people are rational.
> 
> ISTM that one of the *most* irrational things that people do... is 
> giving an irrational reason

Isn't that an oxymoron?

> for doing something that itself is already irrational.  If you are
> going to do something irrational, why do you need a reason???  But
> then that is supposing rationality in the first place, I guess!!!

If people were aware that what they're doing is irrational, would they
do it in the first place?  I suspect most of them _think_ their reason
is rational and thus the behavior is rational.

There certainly are, however, circumstances where people knowingly do
irrational things, e.g. religion; explaining that is more problematic.

OTOH, there is the theory that nothing we do is really rational: we
behave as we wish and try to rationalize it after the fact.  Perhaps
some people are just more willing to admit when that has failed.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#152393 — Re: rationality

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2015-10-07 08:27 -0700
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<37cf9cf9-a75d-4166-8c3b-f02f3ab3a7a8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#152349
On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-4, Stephen Sprunk wrote:

> If people were aware that what they're doing is irrational, would they
> do it in the first place?  I suspect most of them _think_ their reason
> is rational and thus the behavior is rational.

Is laziness irrational?

Is surrending to a craving--eg, buying a candy bar or trashy magazine while in the checkout line--irrational?

People do things all the time that they know full well isn't in their best interest and will have adverse consequences down the road.  For example, being lazy and shopping at the convenience store (paying higher prices) instead of properly planning and going to the supermarket.  

When it comes to safety risk, people often 'feel' safer in circumstances that are actually more dangerous, because of certain conditions.  For instance, driving is much more dangerous than flying, yet people feel safer driving their car since they perceive themselves as in control.  A train trip can be faster than driving in heavy traffic, yet some people think their car offers 'freedom'.





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#152416 — Re: rationality

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2015-10-07 15:22 -0500
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<mv3uq3$eso$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#152393
On 07-Oct-15 10:27, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> If people were aware that what they're doing is irrational, would
>> they do it in the first place?  I suspect most of them _think_
>> their reason is rational and thus the behavior is rational.
> 
> Is laziness irrational?

IMHO, no.  Laziness (and selfishness) is completely rational.

Henry George said that "men always seek to gratify their desires with
the least exertion."  If someone appears to violate that law, it's most
likely because you misunderstand the desire(s) being gratified--or the
actor misunderstands the exertion required.

> Is surrending to a craving--eg, buying a candy bar or trashy magazine
> while in the checkout line--irrational?

That depends on each person's priorities.  If I value my health and
fitness over the sugar rush, then it is irrational; if the opposite,
then it is perfectly rational.

> People do things all the time that they know full well isn't in their
> best interest and will have adverse consequences down the road.  For
> example, being lazy and shopping at the convenience store (paying
> higher prices) instead of properly planning and going to the
> supermarket.

OTOH, the cost (time, gas, etc.) required to go to a "real" store may be
more than the cost of higher prices at the convenience store, which
makes that rational, at least in the short term.

I agree that if you are going to the "real" store anyway, it makes sense
to stock up on everything to hold you over until the next trip, but that
doesn't always work: you may not have enough money at that moment or may
incorrectly estimate your rate of consumption.

And then there are bizarre cases, such as my convenience store having
consistently lower prices on soda than any of the grocery or other big
box stores in the area, plus they rarely run out while the larger ones
do so frequently, which makes no sense given the relative prices.

> When it comes to safety risk, people often 'feel' safer in
> circumstances that are actually more dangerous, because of certain
> conditions.  For instance, driving is much more dangerous than
> flying, yet people feel safer driving their car since they perceive
> themselves as in control.  A train trip can be faster than driving in
> heavy traffic, yet some people think their car offers 'freedom'.

Indeed, but it may be rational for people to value how they feel over
the actual facts.

Romantic relationships appear irrational because it's difficult to
identify what participants' actual desires are, much less evaluate
various strategies chosen to gratify them.  Virtually anything could be
rational or irrational depending on the particular people involved and
how they feel about each other at any particular time.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#152417 — Re: rationality

FromDavid Hume <David.Hume@example.com>
Date2015-10-07 21:42 +0100
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<84vbai9zr7.fsf@example.com>
In reply to#152416
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:

>> Is laziness irrational?
>
> IMHO, no.  Laziness (and selfishness) is completely rational.
>

I think I saw in a wildlife programme that for sloths, laziness was an
adaptation. They move slowly to conserve energy and that allows them to
live on leaves.

Historically though humans would have shared work and resources for
mutual benefit. So you could argue either way on that.

And just so I am not completely off topic, free software is a modern
example.

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#152429 — Re: rationality

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2015-10-07 18:01 -0500
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<mv484l$q27$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#152417
On 07-Oct-15 15:42, David Hume wrote:
> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
> 
>>> Is laziness irrational?
>> 
>> IMHO, no.  Laziness (and selfishness) is completely rational.
> 
> I think I saw in a wildlife programme that for sloths, laziness was
> an adaptation. They move slowly to conserve energy and that allows
> them to live on leaves.

It may also double as a defense mechanism; (large) predators evolved to
chase things that move, and they'll only attack unmoving prey if they
literally stumble across it.  There aren't many (large) predators that
could/would attack arboreal prey, but there are a few.

> Historically though humans would have shared work and resources for 
> mutual benefit. So you could argue either way on that.

Cooperation is fairly easy to explain; there is inherent strength in
numbers that justifies the cost of group membership, plus being able to
pay in less later, e.g. when you're hurt/sick/old, justifies paying in a
more today.  All social animals do this instinctively, and every human
society does as well, at least at tribal or familial scale.

> And just so I am not completely off topic, free software is a modern 
> example.

There's been several interesting attempts to explain why people
contribute to FOSS; most liken the FOSS community to a "gift culture"
(as seen in some remote island tribes) where status and reputation is
determined by what you give away rather than by what you keep for
yourself.  Whether one views such cultures as inherently selfish or
inherently altruistic may reveal more about the observer than the
observed, but either way, it's clearly rational behavior.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#152454 — Re: rationality

Fromsimon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner)
Date2015-10-08 12:02 +0100
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<20151008.1102.972368snz@twoplaces.co.uk>
In reply to#152429
On Wednesday, in article <mv484l$q27$1@dont-email.me>
     stephen@sprunk.org "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:

> On 07-Oct-15 15:42, David Hume wrote:
[...]
>> Historically though humans would have shared work and resources for 
>> mutual benefit. So you could argue either way on that.
> 
> Cooperation is fairly easy to explain; there is inherent strength in
> numbers that justifies the cost of group membership, plus being able to
> pay in less later, e.g. when you're hurt/sick/old, justifies paying in a
> more today.  All social animals do this instinctively, and every human
> society does as well, at least at tribal or familial scale.
> 
>> And just so I am not completely off topic, free software is a modern 
>> example.
> 
> There's been several interesting attempts to explain why people
> contribute to FOSS; most liken the FOSS community to a "gift culture"
> (as seen in some remote island tribes) where status and reputation is
> determined by what you give away rather than by what you keep for
> yourself.  Whether one views such cultures as inherently selfish or
> inherently altruistic may reveal more about the observer than the
> observed, but either way, it's clearly rational behavior.

A friend claims that there's no such thing as pure altruism: people who
do apparently altruistic things are doing it for their own benefit,
either because of the warm glow it gives them, or because at some level
they will indirectly benefit from their act.  I'm not sure I agree, but
it's an interesting idea.

-- 
Simon Turner                                    DoD #0461
simon@twoplaces.co.uk
    Trust me -- I know what I'm doing!          -- Sledge Hammer

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#152457 — Re: rationality

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2015-10-08 13:19 +0200
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<f30iec-j6n.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#152454
In article <20151008.1102.972368snz@twoplaces.co.uk>,
Simon Turner <simon@twoplaces.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wednesday, in article <mv484l$q27$1@dont-email.me>
>     stephen@sprunk.org "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>
>> On 07-Oct-15 15:42, David Hume wrote:
>[...]
>>> Historically though humans would have shared work and resources for 
>>> mutual benefit. So you could argue either way on that.
>> 
>> Cooperation is fairly easy to explain; there is inherent strength in
>> numbers that justifies the cost of group membership, plus being able to
>> pay in less later, e.g. when you're hurt/sick/old, justifies paying in a
>> more today.  All social animals do this instinctively, and every human
>> society does as well, at least at tribal or familial scale.
>> 
>>> And just so I am not completely off topic, free software is a modern 
>>> example.
>> 
>> There's been several interesting attempts to explain why people
>> contribute to FOSS; most liken the FOSS community to a "gift culture"
>> (as seen in some remote island tribes) where status and reputation is
>> determined by what you give away rather than by what you keep for
>> yourself.  Whether one views such cultures as inherently selfish or
>> inherently altruistic may reveal more about the observer than the
>> observed, but either way, it's clearly rational behavior.
>
>A friend claims that there's no such thing as pure altruism: people who
>do apparently altruistic things are doing it for their own benefit,
>either because of the warm glow it gives them, or because at some level
>they will indirectly benefit from their act.  I'm not sure I agree, but
>it's an interesting idea.

Developing FOSS is not at all altruistic once it is past the minimum
usability stage.

Imagine a company needing 100 seats of functionality X; which may cost
$2k x 100 for commercial software, where you are dependent on an
external vendor, rolling your own which may easily top $2M, or 
investing $50k in a FOSS alternative to make it suit your purpose.

In alt 1 you have a budget of $200k plus maintenence by a single
vendor, in alt 2 you have a budget of $2M and the result is not 
proven and you are stuck with whoever built if for you, and in 
alt 3 you have a budget of $50k, and a choice of a whole ecosystem
to service it for you. You just have to contribute the code back
to the ecosystem.

Competitive bidding for that ecosystem is alive and well in 
all the large FOSS systems I have worked on.

-- mrr

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#152481 — Re: rationality

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2015-10-08 11:41 -0500
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<mv668c$2a1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#152457
On 08-Oct-15 06:19, Morten Reistad wrote:
> Simon Turner <simon@twoplaces.co.uk> wrote:
>> stephen@sprunk.org "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>> There's been several interesting attempts to explain why people 
>>> contribute to FOSS; most liken the FOSS community to a "gift
>>> culture" (as seen in some remote island tribes) where status and
>>> reputation is determined by what you give away rather than by
>>> what you keep for yourself.  Whether one views such cultures as
>>> inherently selfish or inherently altruistic may reveal more about
>>> the observer than the observed, but either way, it's clearly
>>> rational behavior.
>> 
>> A friend claims that there's no such thing as pure altruism: people
>> who do apparently altruistic things are doing it for their own
>> benefit, either because of the warm glow it gives them, or because
>> at some level they will indirectly benefit from their act.  I'm not
>> sure I agree, but it's an interesting idea.
> 
> Developing FOSS is not at all altruistic once it is past the minimum 
> usability stage.
> 
> ... in alt 3 [FOSS] you have a budget of $50k, and a choice of a
> whole ecosystem to service it for you. You just have to contribute
> the code back to the ecosystem.

Depending on exactly what you're doing and the specific license(s)
involved, you may not even need to contribute the code back.

S


-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#152536 — Re: rationality

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2015-10-09 11:25 +0100
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<20151009112521.ad5a244cfa105e9f0aba3d62@eircom.net>
In reply to#152481
On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:41:42 -0500
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:

> On 08-Oct-15 06:19, Morten Reistad wrote:
> > Simon Turner <simon@twoplaces.co.uk> wrote:
> >> stephen@sprunk.org "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
> >>> There's been several interesting attempts to explain why people 
> >>> contribute to FOSS; most liken the FOSS community to a "gift
> >>> culture" (as seen in some remote island tribes) where status and
> >>> reputation is determined by what you give away rather than by
> >>> what you keep for yourself.  Whether one views such cultures as
> >>> inherently selfish or inherently altruistic may reveal more about
> >>> the observer than the observed, but either way, it's clearly
> >>> rational behavior.
> >> 
> >> A friend claims that there's no such thing as pure altruism: people
> >> who do apparently altruistic things are doing it for their own
> >> benefit, either because of the warm glow it gives them, or because
> >> at some level they will indirectly benefit from their act.  I'm not
> >> sure I agree, but it's an interesting idea.
> > 
> > Developing FOSS is not at all altruistic once it is past the minimum 
> > usability stage.
> > 
> > ... in alt 3 [FOSS] you have a budget of $50k, and a choice of a
> > whole ecosystem to service it for you. You just have to contribute
> > the code back to the ecosystem.
> 
> Depending on exactly what you're doing and the specific license(s)
> involved, you may not even need to contribute the code back.

	OTOH when it's not proprietary extensions it's usually worthwhile
contributing back anyway, otherwise you have to maintain patches as the
upstream code changes which becomes more and more troublesome as time goes
on.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#152459 — Re: rationality

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2015-10-08 07:49 -0500
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<d7n736F8sfvU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#152454
"Simon Turner" wrote:

> A friend claims that there's no such thing as pure altruism: people who
> do apparently altruistic things are doing it for their own benefit,
> either because of the warm glow it gives them, or because at some level
> they will indirectly benefit from their act.  I'm not sure I agree, but
> it's an interesting idea.

That is a basic tenet in the writings of Ayn Rand.  ISTM that if you don't 
necessarily agree, it hasn't been explained properly; she explains it well 
in _For the New Intellectual_ (a terrible title).   A lot of politicians, 
especially, get a nice warm rush by giving other peoples' money to some 
lazy-assed good for nothing.

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#152539 — Re: rationality

Fromsimon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner)
Date2015-10-09 13:02 +0100
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<20151009.1202.972414snz@twoplaces.co.uk>
In reply to#152459
On Thursday, in article <d7n736F8sfvU1@mid.individual.net>
     r124c4u102@comcast.net "Osmium" wrote:

> "Simon Turner" wrote:
> 
>> A friend claims that there's no such thing as pure altruism: people who
>> do apparently altruistic things are doing it for their own benefit,
>> either because of the warm glow it gives them, or because at some level
>> they will indirectly benefit from their act.  I'm not sure I agree, but
>> it's an interesting idea.
> 
> That is a basic tenet in the writings of Ayn Rand.  ISTM that if you don't 
> necessarily agree, it hasn't been explained properly; she explains it well 
> in _For the New Intellectual_ (a terrible title).

Hmm; I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's beliefs had taken on the status of
unimpeachable fact.  When was that decided?

Thanks for the pointer, though.

-- 
Simon Turner                                    DoD #0461
simon@twoplaces.co.uk
    Trust me -- I know what I'm doing!          -- Sledge Hammer

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#152556 — Re: rationality

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2015-10-09 10:32 -0700
SubjectRe: rationality
Message-ID<d8bebf6c-be7c-4f84-9454-b55d9ae52fca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#152539
On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 6:01:59 AM UTC-6, Simon Turner wrote:
> On Thursday, in article <d7n736F8sfvU1@mid.individual.net>
>      r124c4u102@comcast.net "Osmium" wrote:

> > That is a basic tenet in the writings of Ayn Rand.  ISTM that if you don't 
> > necessarily agree, it hasn't been explained properly; she explains it well 
> > in _For the New Intellectual_ (a terrible title).
> 
> Hmm; I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's beliefs had taken on the status of
> unimpeachable fact.  When was that decided?

She could be right about one thing without that being the case.

In this case, she could easily be right... for certain values of "altruism". 
That is, what she wrote is likely to be trivially true if altruism is defined 
appropriately... but once that is done, the traditional view of the value of 
altruism is diminished not a whit by her statement.

John Savard

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