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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: On the importance of standards |
| Date | 2013-06-09 13:11 -0700 |
| Organization | Nightsong/Fort GNOX |
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes: > how do you know you need lower power or faster processing or anything > else without the context of an app? How much power does a soft core > MISC use? ... A hard core is stuck at some power level. I thought a main feature of the GA design was that it uses almost no power when idle (blocked on a port read, e.g.). If there's not enough workload to keep it busy, it can stay shut off most of the time. > BTW, how is using MISC cores for UARTs better than using LUTs? I'm > not trying to say you are wrong, I'm asking you to explain, please. Well for UART's the comparison was Misc vs. hard cell, rather than Misc vs LUTs. And the Misc probably takes more area than the hard cell, but gives more flexibility about data encoding, flow control, etc. > After all, I consider the GA144 to be a processor version of an FPGA, > a FPPA if you will. I don't really think of it as a processor or MCU > like many try to. In that analogy, an F18 is sort of a super-LUT. There are 144 of them on a relatively big die, at 180nm. At 28nm maybe that translates to 1000 or so of them. That compares maybe 100k LUTs in an FPGA of similar size and process if I'm not mistaken. So one F18 uses as much silicon as 100 LUT's, give or take some small factor. So how many LUTs does it take to implement an F18 in Verilog? Idk but I'd guess in the thousands.
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