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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: The current object |
| Date | 2013-05-05 23:15 +0200 |
| Organization | 1&1 Internet AG |
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Andrew Haley wrote:
> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Forth is a pretty terse programming language, and it's not by
>> accident. It's because terseness is a feature.
>
> Of course; I'm scarcely going to disagree with that. But the ^method
> notation makes the terseness advantage go away, so there's no
> advantage in having a current object.
I've already explained that at least one of the predecessors of BerndOOF
(quickly written and quickly thrown away) had a ^ word for self, as
shortcut, to make the code more terse. It went away, because it still
wasn't good enough. Code riddled with funny characters doesn't look that
good. I even had that critics to some earlier BerndOOF examples, where ^
was used quite often.
The other observation I made was that I often write a program in normal
Forth, i.e. some variables and some words. And then I find out that I need
more of the same, and a global state doesn't work. So I pack the variables
and words into a class. This sort of refactoring does happen pretty often
for me. And it is extremely well supported by the current object system,
because ivars and methods do just call like words and variables. No going
through the code and adding the ^ where necessary. BTW: I've done that
stuff in reverse, as net2o started with using structures, and the "current
structure" came through the backdoor. When I realized that it did, I
switched over to a current-object version of structures, and removing the
current structure pointer from the code wasn't that easy, either.
I.e. IMHO Forth OOP code with current objects is more idiomatic than with
objects on the stack or in a self or ^ local. But that may come from my
view of objects as contexts for programs. What is your mental picture of an
object? Some thing on the stack where you send messages to it?
The usage of the object is marginal compared to implementing it. A number
of objects I've programmed lately don't even have much of an interface. A
net2o context? Can receive and send packets. That's all to the outside.
The inner working is to encrypt and decrypt them properly, handle the flow
control, interpret the commands, create replies, and all that stuff.
If your objects don't have much inside, but lots of interfaces outside, I
suspect onion programming. I don't do that.
> But the ^method notation does that in a simpler way, and one that
> doesn't require the SELF argument to be passed in a different way from
> any other Forth word, and one that allows normal Forth FOO PRINT still
> to work.
Sorry, I don't see that adding a recognizer which turns ^method into "self
method" and adding { self .. } to every method (maybe automatically in m:)
as simpler than defining >o and o>, and using them where needed - when the
context changes. I rather consider that as more complex. What's
complexity? >o and o> are really extremely simple words. The addition to
CATCH to preserve >o and o> is also straight-forward. All totally trivial.
To have this { self } automatic in m: requires having non-standard locals,
if you want to use other locals within an object. Gforth does that, but
it's far from "totally trivial".
Again: What's awkward with >o and o>? If you want to talk to another
object, change context. It's not at all complex. Balancing >o and o> is
not complex. You manage to balance >r and r>, too.
> Not so. That's a completely false way to look at it.
So we should agree that when we talk about objects, we talk about two
entirely different things? Which are not even related? Then forget about
any common ground. It's worse than I expected. I've done cool stuff with
my objects. If they are different from what everybody else thinks an object
should be, then it is that way. I don't care that much what you think an
object is; apparently it's something like a literal on the stack or so. For
me, that's not the object itself, that's just a pointer to the object.
> Forth has
> *always* had objects, in the sense that FOO PRINT executes a word that
> FOO defines to print itself. This goes back about as far as Forth
> itself. This isn't object-oriented programming in the sense of a
> systematic and consistent method of programming, but it's essentially
> the same thing. On the other hand, what you're doing has an impedance
> mismatch with the rest of the langauge.
I'm really sorry, it does not feel that way. Maybe it has an impedance
mismatch if you have a different mental model for what an object is. This
is not about what Forth is, this is then more about what an object is.
> I don't think so. Giving FP numbers their own stack tends to make
> code more idiomatic, not less.
So I feel with giving objects a current object pointer. I've tried both, I
struggle too much with the other way.
>> Well, Java and C++ have the same typical implementation: Dense
>> vtables, and therefore, different selectors in different class
>> hierarchies can have the same offset.
>
> Not for Java, or at least not for the HotSpot VM. I'm porting HotSpot
> at the moment, and while it can use vtables, it usually doesn't, for
> performance reasons. I've looked at using vtables in my port, but
> it's pointless, even for a language that could in theory use them.
Do you have any pointers? I've tried to google for that, but the Java world
doesn't want to talk about these pesky details. What I understand is that
Hotspot does a lot of inlining, which works fine on micro-benchmarks,
especially, when the OOP stuff doesn't do anything useful (i.e. there is no
high polymorphic code). That's completely pointless in a Forth OOP system,
because we won't do that code in an OOP fashion. We resort to OOP when we
do have highly polymorphic code.
Or let's say, mostly we do. Some code might work well with the hotspot
approach to pretend it's not polymorphic code at all, and you simply can
inline the most common path(es), and treat the other pathes as expensive
exceptions.
> The vtable is the typical implementation for C++, which is an
> "everything is known at compile time" view of OOP and types, with
> static scoping, etc. Very not Forth.
Even though Forth does not have a rigid typing system, it is a statically
typed language. Every type is known at compile time. If you type in
: test ( a b -- ) + . ;
then a and b are integers. In Factor, you can have a b integers or floats;
I would have expected strings and quotations, too, but apparently no; in
theory, Factor could add strings and quotations with +, too. You can . all
of them.
> Why the class object? Delegating this to a class doesn't seen to
> solve anything. By assuming the existence of classes you're baking an
> assumption (that every object belongs to one class) into the system.
> Also, I would have thought that it makes more sense for a selector
> just to be a cell.
I don't see that this discussion leads to anything useful. All OOP systems
have classes one way or the other. They may not call them classes, but this
doesn't matter.
A class is the set of selector -> method for all selectors which that object
understands. All objects that have the same set are in the same class (they
understand the same selectors and execute the same methods).
Most OOP systems have ways to copy&modify existing classes. This is
inheritance. It doesn't have to be a tree, but at least for individual
methods, inheritance is a directed acyclic graph. For the whole set of
methods, not necessary (class a inerits x from class b, class b inherits y
from class a).
In any case, this suggestion is just a derivative of what you suggested at
EuroForth. Your suggestion was to add an indirection, i.e. "let the object
handle method dispatch itself - at runtime". What I want to do is let it
handle selector creation and compile-time of method dispatch itself - which,
by the above definition of what a class is means "by the class".
>> A meta object protocol is about coexistence, not about "one great
>> unified OOP system." We won't have one, because different people
>> have different needs.
>
> Absolutely; I'm not saying that you should do what I say. I'm trying
> to figure out:
>
> Is it possible to have a MOP that allows people to get along? To do
> this we need to know what people require. The idea of a "current
> object" seems to be very unimportant in use, but it is a barrier to a
> MOP.
Come on, a number of existing OOP systems has one or the other form of
current objects, so it can't be that unimportant. If it is a barrier, then
we can forget about the idea. I don't think it is a barrier. The MOP
provides you with a system-wide non-conflicting way to deal with current
objects if you want them. If you don't want them, your particular OOP
doesn't need to use them. Problem solved.
> It could probably be worked around, but to do that I have to
> find out if it's worth the effort. Right now the current object
> concept feels to me like something that seems cool today but you'll
> abandon later as a failed experiment.
I abandoned objects passed along on the stack as failed experiment. I
didn't just abandon them once, I tried again with Mini-OOF, and abandoned
them again. Fooled me twice, these damn'd things, so shame on me. I've
been there, and I'm not going back there.
My current objects are more than 20 years old, they aren't new. They just
work, and objects on the stack don't work. At least not for me.
> With regard to vtables, even a langauge that could use them doesn't
> need to do so. Any OOP system can use selector lookup, even if it has
> static scopes at compile time.
Yes, you can make it as complicated as you like...
> So, that's a unifying feature; if
> people donn't need interworking they can still use their internal
> vtables.
Yes. And the good thing is that they can even decide what to do: handle
their own internal class selectors by vtables and if it's not a class
selector, have a fallback. I think we have the following cases:
known selector -> known class: early binding
known selector -> known base class: dense vtable binding
either class or selector unknown: hash table or sparse vtable binding, with
the fallback to a "catch everything else" method
--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/
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Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-06 05:01 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 03:23 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-07 03:39 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 19:00 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-07 13:34 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 22:00 +0200
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Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 06:39 -0400
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-05 23:40 +0200
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 06:39 -0400
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-05 23:29 +0200
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Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-09 00:06 +0200
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-09 06:41 -0400
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-11 21:31 +0200
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-12 07:40 -0400
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-14 01:10 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-14 03:58 -0500
Re: The current object anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-14 14:51 +0000
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Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-14 18:37 +0200
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Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-15 00:22 +0200
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Re: The current object stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-05-15 13:52 +0000
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-15 17:58 +0200
Re: The current object albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-17 14:01 +0000
Re: The current object johno <email@address.com> - 2013-05-15 22:38 +0100
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 06:27 -0400
Re: The current object albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-09 16:06 +0000
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-06 16:12 +0000
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-06 10:25 -0700
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Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-07 15:02 +0000
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 04:09 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-07 03:41 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 19:02 +0200
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-07 14:33 +0000
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 19:40 +0200
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-15 16:46 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-15 13:11 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-15 23:23 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-16 02:24 -0500
Re: The current object anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-16 13:55 +0000
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-16 17:45 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-18 05:13 -0500
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-18 06:43 -0400
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-18 10:03 -0500
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-18 11:30 -0400
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-19 01:20 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-19 12:33 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-19 01:07 +0200
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Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-04-27 00:42 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-27 09:09 +0000
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Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-28 02:24 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-27 06:18 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-27 08:06 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 07:01 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-28 13:09 +0000
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 09:33 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-04-28 08:34 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-04-28 08:37 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-30 18:30 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 15:47 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor AKE <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 13:39 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor AKE <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 13:51 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-25 16:43 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-26 13:44 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-26 13:11 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 11:50 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-24 18:28 +0000
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 15:05 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-24 09:39 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 18:55 -0400
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