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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor |
| Date | 2013-04-27 00:48 +0200 |
| Organization | 1&1 Internet AG |
| Message-ID | <klf07a$aa1$1@online.de> (permalink) |
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Doug Hoffman wrote:
> Perhaps you could explain to Andrew, and the rest of us, why it's good.
When you do OOP programming, you usually refer to instance variables. If
you use something like Mini-OOF, it's going to be
:noname ( params ... this -- return ) { this }
this x @ this y @ ... this bla ;
your code is cluttered with "this". Many OOP packages therefore "hide" the
local this, to make instance variable access use a local variable, but you
still need this to call other methods.
As we are programming Forth, our methods are factored into small one- or
two-liners, which means we mostly call other methods or helper words dealing
with the same object. With an explicit this, it means your code is full of
"this" even when you hide it for instance variables.
> Consuming a register seems a very large price to pay, if that is
> required, and not likely to exist for very many Forths.
You can use a user variable if your architecture is register starved (i.e.
x86). Many OOP systems have some sort of current object pointer, and if you
have enough registers, putting that into a register improves performance
significantly (depends on the code generator, of course).
> But I gather
> it's not required. So maybe we should ignore that aspect for now.
>
> The >o and o> manipulations for the object stack is obviously more
> effort for the programmer, so an explanation of the usage (when and why
> use >o and o>) and the payback for the programmer would seem beneficial.
When: When you switch the object used. Compared to actually *use* the
object (as base pointer for instance variables or to call methods with it),
this is the rare case. You should tune your tools for the common case, not
for the rare case.
Why: To tell the system that you switched the object used.
When I talk about OOP programming, I often see that the Sapir-Worph
hypothesis isn't that wrong. People use their own idiom, and it forms their
code ("thinking"). When you suggest other idioms, you receive blank stares.
People can't imagine the benefit of something they don't know, so any
attempt at explaining it results in more blank stares. Something we
Forthers are confronted with quite often ;-).
So please try it, and check if it benefits your code, or if your coding
style changes. I've tried both (as Mini-OOF was without current object),
and my personal result was that OOP without current object is too cumbersome
to use. Many OOP systems have a compromise, as I said, using the current
object pointer for instance variables, but not for method invocation. This
results in inconsistent code, which needs more explanation than consistent
code.
BerndOOF makes the >o o> manipulations implicit in many cases, but all this
implicit magic might be overkill.
--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/
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Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-25 11:56 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-26 16:04 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-26 13:02 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-26 21:34 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-26 15:56 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-27 00:48 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-26 18:21 -0500
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Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-28 03:31 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 06:30 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 06:21 -0400
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Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-29 21:12 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-29 06:26 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-29 21:07 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-29 22:01 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-29 16:51 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-29 23:57 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-29 17:24 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-30 02:16 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-30 03:19 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-29 18:40 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-29 20:01 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-30 02:40 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 08:58 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-01 09:57 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 04:24 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-01 07:58 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 04:29 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-02 02:49 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 08:54 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-01 23:59 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2013-04-30 06:05 +0300
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Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-02 02:12 +0200
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 04:52 -0400
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Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-02 18:25 +0200
Re: The current object anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-02 16:58 +0000
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-02 22:26 +0200
Re: The current object anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-06 14:52 +0000
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 03:47 +0200
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Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-02 12:12 -0500
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Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-03 03:19 -0500
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 06:54 -0400
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-02 14:28 +0000
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-02 19:58 +0200
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-03 16:50 +0000
Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-04 18:58 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-04 13:35 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-05 01:08 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-04 18:29 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-05 03:00 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-05 03:48 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-05 23:15 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-06 05:01 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 03:23 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-07 03:39 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 19:00 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-07 13:34 -0500
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-07 22:00 +0200
Re: The current object anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-08 07:26 +0000
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 06:39 -0400
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-05 09:15 -0500
Re: The current object Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-05 09:25 -0700
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-05 11:43 -0500
Re: The current object Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-05 09:59 -0700
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-06 05:06 -0500
Re: The current object Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 00:19 -0700
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 06:39 -0400
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-05 23:40 +0200
Re: The current object Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 06:39 -0400
Re: The current object Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-05-05 23:29 +0200
Re: The current object Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-06 05:10 -0500
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Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 15:05 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-24 09:39 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 18:55 -0400
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