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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: The current object |
| Date | 2013-05-07 03:23 +0200 |
| Organization | 1&1 Internet AG |
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Andrew Haley wrote:
>> So we should agree that when we talk about objects, we talk about
>> two entirely different things? Which are not even related?
>
> I have no idea; I don't think that OOP and the rest of Forth are
> different universes, that's all.
Neither do I. It's just that it turns out that my code is more maintainable
with a current object.
> I don't want people to think in the same way. I want them to be able
> to interwork.
Fine with me. This however means you have to accept that people use various
ways to deal with things. Interwork then means that people can build that
stuff on a common base, and deviate where necessary.
>> Do you have any pointers? I've tried to google for that, but the
>> Java world doesn't want to talk about these pesky details.
>
> The techniques are discussed in the survey paper
> http://www.research.ibm.com/people/m/marnold/RC23143.pdf
>
> The list of references at the end includes the HotSpot papers.
Thanks for the pointer, that's a place to start with.
>> What I understand is that Hotspot does a lot of inlining, which
>> works fine on micro-benchmarks, especially, when the OOP stuff
>> doesn't do anything useful (i.e. there is no high polymorphic code).
>
> It's not so much that the code is not polymorphic, but that you don't
> know before a program runs which classes will be used.
Yes, that's for sure ture.
> I suspect that's not always true, given that you talk about many calls
> to SELF methods. I expect that a significant proportion of these will
> be monomorphic calls.
No. These methods are "hooks" where the subclasses specialize. A typical
example from MINOS, the widget class resize definition:
: resize ( x y w h -- )
vglue@ range swap hglue@ range swap h ! w !
repos ;
vglue@, hglue@, and repos are polymorphic methods, range isn't - it just
makes sure that the value is within the range the glue permits. repos is
the closest to "monomorphic", as only windows diverge: They need to call the
window manager when their position changes, all other objects don't need to
call the window manager. There are not too many hglue@ and vglue@ (8 in
total for each), but that's all pretty much on the root of the class
hierarchy tree, so when you pass through a dialog box, you will easily see
all of them. resize of course is the method that's called for every layout
change.
There are a dozend variations of resize, most of them somewhere call the
base class resize at some point, too.
There's a high chance that you are going to call the same resize again in
the next invocation, as dialog boxes often have similar widgets clustered
together. That's handled very well by the CPU's indirect branch prediction.
What I've considered as "useful inlining" would be to take a dialog box, and
then inline the entire walk through the box for e.g. resizing the entire
box. However, those dialog boxes where resize performance is important
(because they contain thousands of elements) are typically non-static.
Think of an HTML page or so. Big, non-static, contains quite a number of
different elements.
> Even for polymorphic call sites vtables aren't necessarily the fastest
> way to do dispatch, and besides that, many polymorphic call sites are
> actually interface calls so vtables don't help.
Oh, well, in Java, maybe. When I implemented interfaces in BerndOOF, there
is a sparce matrix of interface pointers for each class, and a dense vtable
for each interface - the idea is that you have way less interfaces than
classes, and each interface has several methods, so this doesn't hurt that
much.
So each class needs space to handle all interfaces, but the call has just
one additional indirection. This doesn't hurt performance much, one
additional cycle per call or so. Essentially, for polymorphic call sites, a
call is one branch misprediction. Any other scheme easily produces more
than one branch misprediction. The branch misprediction is the most
expensive part of the entire method call.
If you compile something like
if(class==classa) then methoda
else if(class==classb) then methodb
else generic invocation
you get three mispredictions in the generic invocation case (supposed classa
and classb are used frequently enough that each of the if statements has a
>50% likelyhood to match). The CPU's branch predictor would be more dynamic
than this code, and when class A and B cluster or have an easy pattern
(think e.g. of fixed-size boxes and variable glue boxes interspaced, it's
then A/B/A/B/A most of the time), the CPU's branch predictor does a very
good job.
> And the type of EXECUTE is? :-)
EXECUTE consumes an xt. All other changes to the system state, including
the stacks, are subject to the xt called.
> The thing about Forth is that it is so malleable that people have very
> different views of what it is. I suppose that's a feature, not a bug.
Yes.
>> A class is the set of selector -> method for all selectors which
>> that object understands.
>
> If all you mean by "class" in the sentence that I was disagreeing with
> is the set of messages, then I have no diagreement with you. That's
> not what "class" usually means.
Well, in addition to the selector -> method set, a class also has a set of
instance variables. I don't think that much of a class as a "type" in a
C++-like static typed system. That would not be very Forth-ish.
[...]
> Ah, but my reasoning goes like this: there's no great performance
> advantage to binding call site dispatch at compile time, and there is
> a lot more flexibility to doing it at run time, so you might as well
> do it at run time.
>
> But I admit my preference here: I don't think it's worth worrying
> about shaving a few nanoseconds if it's rewarded by a simplifying
> assumption that significantly helps the programmer. This will
> probably make for faster systems, because that programmer will have
> more time to think about the actual problem.
The optimization at compile time when some parts are already known are
transparent for the programmer. It doesn't change the semantics, it only
changes when to do what. If you can do it at compile-time and it's not too
difficult for the compiler to find out, then do it at compile time. If it
shaves of 1 or 100ns doesn't matter: you can do it at compile time, then do
it at compile time.
> I'm not proposing complexity.
>
> My suggestion is that a Forth system provides a few words that do
> dispatch and lookup, and these are implemented in the best
> (simplest/fastest/whatever; depends on the Forth system's author)
> possible way for that system. These words may be used to implement an
> OOP system, and if interworking is required they must be used because
> that's how OOP systems communicate with each other.
>
> However, the choice of what words are bound to what objects is left to
> the OOP system's designer, or indeed to the program itself. This is a
> simplifying assumption. If someone wants to work in their own world,
> without interworking, of course they can do that with their own
> dispatch and lookup mechanism.
In any case, you must do it the Common Lisp MOP-way: first look at what's
there, and then find a way to implement it with a common base. IMHO, the
method dispatch and lookup mechanism is too much deviating between different
Forth OOP systems that you can make it "generic".
>> known selector -> known class: early binding
>> known selector -> known base class: dense vtable binding
>> either class or selector unknown: hash table or sparse vtable binding,
>> with the fallback to a "catch everything else" method
>
> Sure, but there's no need to distinguish between these cases. I mean,
> you can if you like, but there's no reason the system has to.
Yes, that's of course just an opportunity for optimization.
--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/
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Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-28 02:24 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-27 06:18 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-27 08:06 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 07:01 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-28 13:09 +0000
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 09:33 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-04-28 08:34 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-04-28 08:37 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-30 18:30 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 15:47 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor AKE <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 13:39 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor AKE <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 13:51 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-25 16:43 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-26 13:44 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-26 13:11 -0500
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