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Re: The current object

From Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: The current object
Date 2013-05-02 18:25 +0200
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Andrew Haley wrote:

> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Bad style or not, it does happen.  Even in Java (see example above).
> 
> It's a bug in Java.

C++ can declare ivars public, too.  Bugs all over the place ;-).

> I don't think it's so much a matter of style as a fundamental
> property.  But if you really need to access someone else's ivars they
> can provide an accessor for that, slot-style: a method that returns
> the address of an ivar.  That's very Forthly, and isn't really any
> different from a variable, which is just a word that returns the
> address of some data.

Fully agreed; usually, you have a setter+getter pair.  Passing an address 
IMHO is already no-go, if your purpose is information hiding.  When you pass 
an address, you have no control when things change, and often, setters do 
have side effects (e.g. in MINOS, when you change the size of an object, it 
will resize it's box).

> Of course, for debugging you need to be able to access the insides of
> everything.

And since in Forth, debugging is just another way of using the system, such 
an access must be possible.  Which you in C++ and Java considered as a bug.

>>> You may consider this inconsistent, but it's not one I worry
>>> about. And having to write THIS (or SELF) in some places is not a
>>> problem for me, either.
>> 
>> But you demonstrated that this inconsistency leads to bugs without
>> intimate knowledge of the class.  That's why I now understand why
>> Doug needs his : prefix for methods, and why I don't need this.  The
>> prefix helps to reduce the number of bugs in the system.
> 
> Ahhhh, now I see!  The problem is that ivars *behave* *differently*
> from methods, so you must have a marker for methods or you can't read
> any code.  Indeed, that is very broken.

Anton had some arguments why he wants different words to define methods, 
which I didn't understand back then; it's the same reason.  In this sort of 
system, methods are inconsistent with the rest of the system, which means 
this inconsistency has to be highlighted somehow to prevent bugs.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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                Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor AKE <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 13:51 -0700
                Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-25 16:43 -0500
                Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-26 13:44 -0400
                Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-26 13:11 -0500
  Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 11:50 -0400
    Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-24 18:28 +0000
      Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 15:05 -0400
  Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-24 09:39 -0700
  Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 18:55 -0400

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