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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: The current object (was: Went open source with my GA144 ...) |
| Date | 2013-05-02 02:12 +0200 |
| Organization | 1&1 Internet AG |
| Message-ID | <klsb20$7hk$1@online.de> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <klj8v4$4vq$1@online.de> <517e4adf$0$32110$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <klmgcv$bcs$1@online.de> <klmji7$dm6$1@online.de> <2013May1.190138@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
Anton Ertl wrote:
> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes:
>>Maybe a real world example helps more. Consider an object that represents
>>an array of two-dimensional things ("size"). I'm currently having Java
>>return such things to me for the camera preview size. So I do
>>
>>: .sizes ( list<size> -- )
>> >o l-size 0 ?DO i l-get >o width . height . cr o> LOOP o> ;
>>
>>This is a one-liner with a loop, dealing with two object contexts - one is
>>the list, the other is the size element inside the list.
>
> Let's compare this with setting the current object on method entry
> (example with objects2 syntax):
>
> :: .size ( size -- )
> width . height . ;;
>
> :: .sizes ( list<size> -- )
> l-size 0 ?DO i this l-get .size LOOP ;;
>
> [I assume that WIDTH, HEIGHT, and L-SIZE are instance variables and
> L-GET is a method.]
Yes, but wrong. l-size is a method. width and height are indeed ivars.
Factoring isn't a bad idea, but .size actually belongs to the size class,
and .sizes to the list class, which in this case are both inaccessible,
because it's a Java class, and unfortunately, JNI doesn't allow to extend a
class on the fly.
> Is it worse? Worse factored?
No, it's not worse. You had to factor it, because in your system, method
invocation is the only way to change the current object. In my system,
factoring is something you can do if you like, but you aren't forced to.
And it's wrong, because you miss-guessed l-size. Why should you need to
guess that? That's the inconsistency with your system: You absolutely need
to know what's an ivar and what's a method. What if you don't know? OOP
systems are often big enough that you don't know, and actually, a good
design is that you don't even need to care. Today, l-size is a method,
because it walks the list and counts as it goes. Tomorrow, someone applied
a microoptimization, and the list now really is an array, and l-size is an
ivalue. The interface to my system didn't change, but your system needs an
adapter to be backwards compatible.
> More generally, in this thread you compared having no support for the
> current object (mini-oof) to having support for the current object in
> the BerndOOF/Mini-OOF2 way, i.e., by explicitly changing the current
> object. But these are not the only options. Several object-oriented
> Forth packages (e.g., objects.fs) set the current object on method
> call/entry. That's what pretty much all the other object-oriented
> languages do.
You mean that's what the underlying VMs do, because you don't see that in
the source code. I don't care about what other people's VM do, because it's
not really part of the language. C++ has to fit within the C ABI.
As Andrew already pointed out, Java has something like a current object
model: If you call a method referring to this, you don't need to say
this.method(), method() alone is sufficient. Same with C++. Unlike Forth,
these languages use syntax to distinguish between this-related calls and
calls related to other objects. They always pass the current object on the
stack as calling parameter to the invoked method, but that's implicit, and
not part of the language - that is an implementation detail.
> A related question is how we tell methods and instance variables what
> object they refer to. In most other languages you can write v or
> this.v (or self.v) to refer to the instance variable v for the current
> object, and x.v to refer to the instance variable v of object x;
> likewise for methods.
>
> In Forth I don't see a good way to support the equivalent of both x.v
> and v, so in objects.fs you have to provide the object explicitly when
> calling a method (the equivalent of "x.v()"); otherwise there would be
> no way to change the current object.
This is a rather silly argument. If you have no way to change your current
object, *add one,* like >o and o>, or call them with and endwith, or
whatever you like. Optionally use a dot-parser recognizer to transform x.y
into x >o y o>. If you are writing that recognizer, .y should be
transformed into >o y o> (that should be trivial). That way, you get your
easy to recognize variant for cases where you really only want one access to
the object on the stack. You probably want ivalues (self-fetching, assign
with TO). The Java variables in JNI are "ivalues."
BTW: your code (objects.fs, I suppose this part didn't change in
objects2.fs) has >o and o>. It's called enterm and exitm. They do
*exactly* the same thing. However, you compile enterm and exitm
automatically inside the method, which also means that if you do EXIT in a
method, it's a bug - you for sure need EXITM EXIT inside a method instead.
> By contrast, instance variables
> always refer to the current object (that's also the usual use in other
> languages, because it is considered bad style to access the instance
> variables of other objects without accessor functions).
Bad style or not, it does happen. Even in Java (see example above). In
Forth, it happens when you are doing debugging; inspection is a critical
part of Forth's programming style. If you can't inspect the ivars of other
objects from the command line, debugging is no longer fun. And when you
want to access other object's ivars from the command line for debugging, you
need a tool for that. This tool may then be used in bad style code, too
;-). There is no code style police in the Forth compiler.
> You may
> consider this inconsistent, but it's not one I worry about. And having
> to write THIS (or SELF) in some places is not a problem for me,
> either.
But you demonstrated that this inconsistency leads to bugs without intimate
knowledge of the class. That's why I now understand why Doug needs his :
prefix for methods, and why I don't need this. The prefix helps to reduce
the number of bugs in the system.
--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/
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Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-04-27 00:42 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-27 09:09 +0000
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-04-27 02:28 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-27 04:52 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-28 02:24 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-27 06:18 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-27 08:06 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 07:01 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-28 13:09 +0000
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 09:33 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-04-28 08:34 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-04-28 08:37 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-30 18:30 +0200
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 15:47 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor AKE <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 13:39 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor AKE <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 13:51 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-25 16:43 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-26 13:44 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-26 13:11 -0500
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 11:50 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-24 18:28 +0000
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 15:05 -0400
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-24 09:39 -0700
Re: Went open source with my GA144 simulator written in Factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 18:55 -0400
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