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Re: Which standard?

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Which standard?
Date 2012-04-30 13:08 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
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Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> writes:
>I consider ?DUP a particularly BAD word, because it returns a variable
>amount of stack items.

Yes.  That's why ?DUP is only used in very few contexts:

?DUP IF    \ without ELSE
?DUP 0= IF \ without ELSE

If there is an ELSE, WHILE or REPEAT, ?DUP can be replaced with DUP
and a DROP can be inserted in the appropriate place, so ?DUP does not
make much sense.  If there is no ELSE, one might replace ?DUP with DUP
and insert ELSE DROP, which introduces two more lines with the
indentation style I use.

>Ok, consider this:
>
>        ?DUP IF ... THEN
>
>Now you decide to have an ELSE:
>
>        ?DUP IF ... ELSE ... THEN

Or better:

          DUP IF ... ELSE DROP ... THEN

>        NOT ?DUP IF ... ELSE ... THEN

That's unlikely to be used with NOT being 0=, because then we know the
exact value of the flag in each branch, no need to preserve it.  I
also find it unlikely that this would be used with NOT being INVERT.

>Let's pull in another test like:
>
>        NOT ?DUP OVER BL AND IF ... ELSE ... THEN

If NOT is INVERT, you get a statically unknown stack effect in the
ELSE branch, so that's most likely buggy.  IF NOT is 0=, ?DUP is
useless, as above.

- anton
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              Re: Which standard? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-03-24 13:37 +0100
                Re: Which standard? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-03-24 12:20 -0500
                Re: Which standard? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-03-24 17:24 -0400
        Re: Which standard? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-24 14:18 +0000
      Re: Which standard? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 22:33 +0100
      Re: Which standard? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-03-26 03:25 +0200
      Re: Which standard? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-03-25 21:40 -0700
    Re: Which standard? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-03-22 04:15 -0500
    Re: Which standard? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201203.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-03-22 13:02 +0100
  Re: Which standard? Helmar Wodtke <helmwo@gmail.com> - 2012-03-25 08:51 -0700
  Re: Which standard? jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-03-26 22:14 -0700
    Re: Which standard? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-26 23:55 -0700
      Re: Which standard? Helmar Wodtke <helmwo@gmail.com> - 2012-03-27 05:41 -0700
        Re: Which standard? hwfwguy@gmail.com - 2012-03-27 08:45 -0700
        Re: Which standard? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-03-28 01:42 +0200
          Re: Which standard? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-31 13:46 +0000
        Re: Which standard? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-27 22:51 -0700
        Re: Which standard? jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-03-27 19:33 -0700

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