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| Started by | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| First post | 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-04-11 22:01 -0500 |
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Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 09:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 04:03 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 09:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:12 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 17:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-12 00:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 21:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-02 15:12 +1100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-02 15:15 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-02 05:34 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-02 08:31 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-02 12:21 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-02 20:49 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 08:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 10:12 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 19:43 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 15:45 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:29 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 16:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-03 20:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Gatuzo <Gatuzo@mccarragher.org> - 2016-04-03 21:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 21:42 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 11:56 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:47 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 22:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 06:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-04 14:04 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 15:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-04 15:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 17:05 +0100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 18:42 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-05 03:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-12 19:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-12 19:13 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-13 06:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 06:33 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-13 07:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 06:30 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:22 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:56 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:16 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 18:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:05 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 18:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 10:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 07:08 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 07:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:48 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 09:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-04 15:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-06 00:39 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-06 09:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:31 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:50 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 14:16 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:20 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 19:24 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:31 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 14:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:22 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:56 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 11:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 06:36 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 06:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 08:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:40 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:31 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-05 12:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:03 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 05:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-12 16:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-13 11:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-11 20:51 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:10 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-12 07:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:07 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:31 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 16:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 17:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:36 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 22:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:35 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 21:54 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-13 23:04 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-14 11:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-14 16:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 16:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-14 23:23 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-15 16:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 20:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-15 11:00 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-02 16:28 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-04-02 21:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 08:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 16:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:21 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:49 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-06 16:32 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 11:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:13 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-02 20:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 05:29 +0100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 07:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 14:00 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 08:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 06:18 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 10:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:27 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 16:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-03 11:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-03 11:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:55 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-03 11:14 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 20:31 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 01:58 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:50 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 21:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 22:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:33 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-04 09:22 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:42 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 22:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:38 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 06:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 10:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 17:20 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:02 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:44 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 20:23 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:50 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 19:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:40 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 15:00 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:57 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 08:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-05 21:14 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-05 11:27 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 14:52 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 04:04 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-05 22:50 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 08:26 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:39 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:37 +0100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-03 10:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:40 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-04 19:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-05 13:43 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 07:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-12 13:47 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-12 16:50 +0200
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 05:04 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:32 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-12 17:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:18 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 17:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-14 16:07 +0200
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 12:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-14 11:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-14 16:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-14 20:35 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-15 09:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-15 12:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-15 16:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-15 11:59 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 18:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-16 01:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 22:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-16 10:13 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 18:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-17 10:29 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-20 20:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-20 19:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-16 09:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-16 13:16 +0200
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-16 13:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 10:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-16 20:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-16 20:46 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 09:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-17 12:07 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-17 09:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:51 +1000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:44 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:43 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 12:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-19 12:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 01:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 16:44 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 16:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-18 13:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-18 18:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-18 14:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:19 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:13 -0500
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-26 11:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 11:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-28 06:09 +1000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-18 16:12 -0300
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-18 20:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 06:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 21:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:11 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 14:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-04-19 22:06 -0300
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 10:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-20 10:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 11:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-21 08:01 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 12:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-20 10:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 15:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 15:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-20 18:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 13:07 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-20 11:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 15:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-21 08:19 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-21 15:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 17:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-21 11:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 07:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-20 17:49 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 03:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-21 08:11 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 17:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 12:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-21 14:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-21 20:20 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-22 11:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 16:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-16 19:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 12:21 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 06:03 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:33 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-22 07:11 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 05:31 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-22 15:01 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 12:21 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-24 11:21 +0200
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-24 12:43 +0200
Re: Qbasic Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-04-25 07:16 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-25 10:10 +0200
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-25 15:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-25 16:55 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-04-26 00:05 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 06:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-26 07:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-26 12:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 13:54 +0100
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-26 10:18 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 16:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-26 11:44 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:15 +0200
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 10:50 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 11:10 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-24 11:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 07:43 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-24 12:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-24 17:01 -0300
Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-26 21:37 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-26 16:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-26 22:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-27 14:18 +1000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-27 12:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 19:32 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-28 13:43 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-29 12:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-29 13:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-29 15:19 +0200
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-29 14:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-29 09:58 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-29 19:51 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 06:28 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:11 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 14:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 09:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 13:54 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 13:46 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 06:11 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 09:02 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 05:49 +1000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-25 15:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-25 16:55 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-25 23:56 +0200
Re: Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-04-22 01:02 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-22 15:22 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 11:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 11:21 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:45 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 15:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 19:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 17:04 -0300
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 12:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 06:00 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:22 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:49 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-26 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-04-26 14:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-26 21:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 18:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-27 16:19 -0300
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 19:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-30 15:24 -0300
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 06:06 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 10:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 11:12 +0100
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 14:21 -0400
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 11:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 13:51 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 08:48 +0200
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 20:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 09:09 +0200
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-28 22:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 13:46 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 20:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 20:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 22:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 22:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:30 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-29 19:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-30 23:39 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:23 -0500
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-26 22:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 10:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 10:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-27 12:40 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 14:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-27 12:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 08:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-04-28 20:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-28 19:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-29 19:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-29 22:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-29 17:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-30 07:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-30 01:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-30 06:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-30 23:58 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:55 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-01 12:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 18:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-02 17:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:58 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 04:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-02 22:11 -0400
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-03 06:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-03 14:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 12:37 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-03 19:00 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 17:07 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 22:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 04:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-03 13:43 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:02 +1000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-06 19:13 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-07 13:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-07 16:27 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-08 13:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-08 20:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-07 20:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-07 16:47 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 12:29 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-30 12:43 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 19:58 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-01 06:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-30 15:09 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:49 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-01 00:06 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-01 04:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-01 06:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:12 +0000
Re:AM radio Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-30 12:00 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 15:47 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-01 00:15 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-01 12:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-01 15:24 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-02 13:13 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:45 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-02 15:51 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-02 16:09 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 07:40 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:33 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-03 13:47 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:33 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 15:11 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-03 13:35 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:28 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:50 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:32 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:30 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:27 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:35 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:23 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:43 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-04 16:13 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 22:08 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-05 19:45 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-06 07:22 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-06 15:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-06 22:50 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-07 05:35 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 02:35 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-07 20:01 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-07 17:33 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-08 06:52 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 08:35 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-08 14:40 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 10:40 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-08 12:17 -0400
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-07 20:13 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-05-07 20:45 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-07 23:45 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-04 18:32 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:48 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-02 12:49 -0700
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Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 18:26 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 08:24 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 05:53 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:33 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-05-03 14:54 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 23:08 -0400
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 15:11 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-04 16:43 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-04 23:17 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-05 13:37 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-05 12:25 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-05 12:42 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-06 13:28 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 08:17 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:59 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-04 15:13 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-04 23:26 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-03 21:09 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 22:56 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 23:38 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:55 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 04:02 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-03 13:37 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-03 17:17 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:37 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:24 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 17:37 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-05 00:58 +0200
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 10:26 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 14:38 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 05:11 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 14:46 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-05 15:35 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-06 18:10 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-07 13:14 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-07 13:54 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-09 15:11 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic pechter@pechter.net (William Pechter) - 2016-05-09 22:26 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-09 15:09 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 23:57 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:49 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-11 07:07 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 15:23 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-10 12:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 03:45 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 15:27 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 04:53 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-10 12:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-10 13:03 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-11 12:18 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-11 13:13 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-12 13:04 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-12 14:44 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-12 15:47 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-13 12:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 09:00 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-13 10:00 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 11:06 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 18:16 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 12:24 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 20:25 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 14:27 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-14 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-14 15:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-14 21:07 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-14 15:12 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-14 16:15 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-14 19:42 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-14 19:17 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-15 10:28 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-15 11:37 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-15 09:16 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-15 09:21 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-15 09:55 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-15 10:26 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-15 15:19 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-15 09:57 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-16 20:26 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-17 12:32 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 16:26 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-12 11:37 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 03:19 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 09:53 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 10:18 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-11 16:29 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 14:29 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 13:59 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 21:37 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 21:37 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-12 12:39 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-12 14:43 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-12 19:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-11 21:11 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 05:00 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 15:56 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:56 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:18 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:49 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-10 16:00 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-11 07:16 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:53 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-10 17:22 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 15:18 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-10 18:20 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:23 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-10 19:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:13 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-13 12:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-13 12:43 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-09 16:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-09 18:07 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-09 14:47 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:06 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 11:57 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:15 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:11 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 23:49 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:06 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:07 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 08:30 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 20:30 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-16 22:39 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mrr@sambook.reistad.name (Morten Reistad) - 2016-05-17 11:10 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 16:19 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 20:29 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 04:45 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-10 16:01 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 15:20 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 22:59 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-10 19:15 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 10:53 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-08 10:42 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-08 18:38 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-08 12:40 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 03:36 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 05:32 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 05:13 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-04 00:32 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 10:36 +1000
Re: Re:AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:00 +1000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-02 13:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-30 15:19 -0300
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 18:31 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-27 07:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-28 22:03 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 12:50 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-26 12:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 11:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:28 +0200
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-04-26 20:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 00:34 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-27 14:23 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 03:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 06:02 +1000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 23:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 02:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 11:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 10:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 11:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 18:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 18:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 17:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-19 19:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 09:13 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 07:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 13:19 +0100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 17:20 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-19 13:55 +0200
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 16:47 -0300
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-18 16:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 17:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 19:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 07:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-19 14:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 21:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-19 11:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-19 16:04 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 17:07 -0300
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-19 16:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-20 00:45 -0300
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 21:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-20 06:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 21:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 01:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 18:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:03 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 11:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 07:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-17 14:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 14:16 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 12:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 20:09 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 18:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-18 12:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:31 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:46 +1000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:42 +1000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-18 03:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 07:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 20:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:48 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 09:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:51 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-18 12:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:53 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-18 19:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-18 19:04 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 11:28 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 11:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-16 06:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-16 12:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 07:24 -0400
Re: Wikipedia interest, was Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-16 13:10 -0700
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-17 11:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:57 +0100
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:54 +0100
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-18 11:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 14:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-18 15:44 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 21:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 06:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 10:51 +0000
Epigenetics (was Re: Qbasic) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-18 15:48 -0300
Re: Epigenetics (was Re: Qbasic) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 21:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:06 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:21 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:55 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-13 17:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:37 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-05 10:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:08 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-06 07:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 19:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-06 12:49 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:42 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:14 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-04 14:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:58 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 22:02 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 22:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-05 09:32 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 16:00 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-11 21:25 -0500
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-07 08:56 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dp4lpsF38q3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163316 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote >>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote >>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>> > jmfbahciv wrote >>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the house >>>>>> we have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>> unusual. >>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>> wireless >>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>> participants. >>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >> More fool you. It isn't. >> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. > They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted > communication that showed the encryption in the frames. Technically that is certainly possible, but legally it isnt, the supremes would shaft that in nanoseconds because it's unconstitutional. > You only need around 50 deep inspection rules to > do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. > The answer is steganography. Not necessary in the US or in any other modern first world country either. > Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have decided that that filtering > route is a dead end, and probably unconsitutional in all of them. Absolutely certainly unconstitutional in the US and that is why it not only isnt inevitable, it isnt going to happen there. > The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. > Around 50 of them are actively trying. But none of them have ever got even close to being able to block everything. Not even North Korea has even got close to doing that. > I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. You are free to do whatever you like, but it’s a complete waste of time unless you happen to 'live' in one of the worst of the police states like North Korea and even then there are MUCH better ways than SW radio.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-07 13:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM000532404E82E058@aca40426.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163316 |
Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>> > On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>> >> It is worrisome. >>>>> > >>>>> > Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the house >>>>> > we >>>>> > have three independent routes to the internet, this is not unusual. >>>>> > >>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>> >>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, wireless >>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>> participants. >> >>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >> >>More fool you. It isn't. >> >>Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. > > They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication > that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep > inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. > > The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have > decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably unconsitutional > in all of them. > > The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are > actively trying. > > I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure of transmission? /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-08 02:42 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dp6k7jFetj2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163339 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM000532404E82E058@aca40426.ipt.aol.com... > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>> > On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>> >> It is worrisome. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>> > house >>>>>> > we >>>>>> > have three independent routes to the internet, this is not unusual. >>>>>> > >>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>> >>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>>> wireless >>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>> participants. >>> >>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>> >>>More fool you. It isn't. >>> >>>Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >> >> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. >> >> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have >> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably > unconsitutional >> in all of them. >> >> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >> actively trying. >> >> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. > > How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure > of transmission? No one knows because no one has bothered to calculate what it would cost using SW, the real world is satellites now with the dregs that are still trying to control comms.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.imvalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-07 22:15 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <evu10d-c57.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163347 |
In article <dp6k7jFetj2U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > > >"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >news:PM000532404E82E058@aca40426.ipt.aol.com... >> Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>> > On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>> >> It is worrisome. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>> > house >>>>>>> > we >>>>>>> > have three independent routes to the internet, this is not unusual. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>>>> wireless >>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>> participants. >>>> >>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>> >>>>More fool you. It isn't. >>>> >>>>Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>> >>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. >>> >>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have >>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >> unconsitutional >>> in all of them. >>> >>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>> actively trying. >>> >>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >> >> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >> of transmission? > >No one knows because no one has bothered to calculate >what it would cost using SW, the real world is satellites >now with the dregs that are still trying to control comms. Bandwidth. That comes with increasing frequency. LW is a few hundred kHz. MW is half a MHz. SW is effectively a few MHz. FM is a few tens of MHz. the satellite Ku-band is half a GHz alone. A single fiber colour is around 50 GHz. There are 80 of them in a normal long distance fiber pair. This gives 10Gbit easily. -- mrr
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-07 15:51 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #163339 |
On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the house >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not unusual. >>>>>>> >>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>> >>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, wireless >>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>> participants. >>> >>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>> >>> More fool you. It isn't. >>> >>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >> >> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. >> >> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have >> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably > unconsitutional >> in all of them. >> >> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >> actively trying. >> >> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. > > How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure > of transmission? Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of operation. If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and paying the electric bill.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-08 02:29 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <usd20d-uq7.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163361 |
In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >> Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the house >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not unusual. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, wireless >>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>> participants. >>>> >>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>> >>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>> >>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>> >>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. >>> >>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have >>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >> unconsitutional >>> in all of them. >>> >>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>> actively trying. >>> >>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >> >> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >> of transmission? > >Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >operation. If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few hundred watts. This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of operation. >If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and paying >the electric bill. The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. -- mrr
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-08 13:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163402 |
Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the house >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not unusual. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, wireless >>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>> participants. >>>>> >>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>> >>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>> >>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>> >>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. >>>> >>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have >>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>> unconsitutional >>>> in all of them. >>>> >>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>> actively trying. >>>> >>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>> >>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>> of transmission? >> >>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>operation. > > > If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering > radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and > beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly > illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few > hundred watts. > > This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, > some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of > operation. If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one (and that assumes that someone nearby knows how to build it and make it work). > >>If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >>production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and paying >>the electric bill. > > The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists > got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR > some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity > cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per > day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. > > Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. So building one also includes having some kind of power source which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. /BAH
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-08 16:14 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163410 |
In article <PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the house >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not unusual. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >wireless >>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>> >>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>> >>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>> >>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>> >>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. >>>>> >>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have >>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>> unconsitutional >>>>> in all of them. >>>>> >>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>> actively trying. >>>>> >>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>> >>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>> of transmission? >>> >>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>operation. >> >> >> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >> hundred watts. >> >> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >> operation. > >If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one (and >that assumes that someone nearby knows how to build it and make it work). You can scavenge all kinds of electronics. The "special" part is the high current output transistors/thyristors/even pentodes. But then SW is only a few tens of megaherts, so you could probably use any sort-of-recent high power thyristors. >>>If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >>>production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and paying >>>the electric bill. >> >> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >> >> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. > >So building one also includes having some kind of power source which >may not be available if the situation is an emergency. You don't have to build radio LUX. 50 watts is the normal output for a hobbyist rookie license. You probably want to increase that by 5-10fold to have a SW radio covering a 4-5 state area and could be received with s simple whip or small dipole. 500 watts of output through a simple transmitter would require a power source of a few kilowatts. Say 3kw, and you have enough for lights, a mixing table, a few cds and tape reels. (still in use on broadcast, for the long nighters). Or some pcs with digital production tools. Put a lot of effort into the antenna; but the materials for that could be wire and string plus some primitive isolators. A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. -- mrr
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| From | Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> |
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| Date | 2016-05-08 10:28 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <87oa8gtvq4.fsf@senguio.mx> |
| In reply to | #163418 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: > You can scavenge all kinds of electronics. The "special" part is the > high current output transistors/thyristors/even pentodes. > > But then SW is only a few tens of megaherts, so you could probably > use any sort-of-recent high power thyristors. > A few years ago there was an article in the ham press about a 160m transmitter that used some MOSFETs designed for switching power supplies. (For those who don't know -- a 100W dissipation power switching MOFSET cost 77 cents, a 100W dissipation RF Power MOSFET cost 12 dollars.)
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 03:52 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dp9cn3F1fr8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163418 |
"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... > In article <PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network >>>>>>>>>> data. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>wireless >>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>> >>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 >>>>>> deep >>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>> protocols. >>>>>> >>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>> have >>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>> >>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>> of transmission? >>>> >>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>operation. >>> >>> >>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>> hundred watts. >>> >>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>> operation. >> >>If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one (and >>that assumes that someone nearby knows how to build it and make it work). > > You can scavenge all kinds of electronics. The "special" part is > the high current output transistors/thyristors/even pentodes. And you can't scavenge those, so it can't fly. > But then SW is only a few tens of megaherts, so you could > probably use any sort-of-recent high power thyristors. No you can't. No one has ever done SW that way. >>>>If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >>>>production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and paying >>>>the electric bill. >>> >>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>> >>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >> >>So building one also includes having some kind of power source which >>may not be available if the situation is an emergency. > > You don't have to build radio LUX. 50 watts is the normal output > for a hobbyist rookie license. You probably want to increase that by > 5-10fold to have a SW radio covering a 4-5 state area and could be > received with s simple whip or small dipole. Even that isnt feasible by scavenging now. > 500 watts of output through a simple transmitter would require a power > source of a few kilowatts. Say 3kw, and you have enough for lights, > a mixing table, a few cds and tape reels. (still in use on broadcast, > for the long nighters). Or some pcs with digital production tools. Makes a hell of a lot more sense to go the sat phone route. > Put a lot of effort into the antenna; but the materials for that > could be wire and string plus some primitive isolators. If you have a decent tower which is very unlikely indeed. > A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla > or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. Don’t need anything like that with sat phones.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-08 15:05 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <ngo5v8$3sn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #163439 |
On 5/8/2016 12:52 PM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message > news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >> In article <PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>> On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in >>>>>>>>>>>> the house >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control >>>>>>>>>>> network data. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not >>>>>>>>>> succeed in doing >>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time >>>>>>>>>> to have an >>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>> wireless >>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted >>>>>>> communication >>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around >>>>>>> 50 deep >>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open >>>>>>> 38" have >>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of >>>>>>> them are >>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>> >>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>> of transmission? >>>>> >>>>> Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>> Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would >>>>> depend on >>>>> where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>> different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low >>>>> millions >>>>> for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow >>>>> level of >>>>> operation. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>> hundred watts. >>>> >>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent >>>> setup, >>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>> operation. >>> >>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one (and >>> that assumes that someone nearby knows how to build it and make it >>> work). >> >> You can scavenge all kinds of electronics. The "special" part is >> the high current output transistors/thyristors/even pentodes. > > And you can't scavenge those, so it can't fly. > >> But then SW is only a few tens of megaherts, so you could >> probably use any sort-of-recent high power thyristors. > > No you can't. No one has ever done SW that way. > >>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >>>>> production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and >>>>> paying >>>>> the electric bill. >>>> >>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around >>>> $5000 per >>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>> >>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY >>>> good. >>> >>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source which >>> may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >> >> You don't have to build radio LUX. 50 watts is the normal output >> for a hobbyist rookie license. You probably want to increase that by >> 5-10fold to have a SW radio covering a 4-5 state area and could be >> received with s simple whip or small dipole. > > Even that isnt feasible by scavenging now. > >> 500 watts of output through a simple transmitter would require a power >> source of a few kilowatts. Say 3kw, and you have enough for lights, >> a mixing table, a few cds and tape reels. (still in use on broadcast, >> for the long nighters). Or some pcs with digital production tools. > > Makes a hell of a lot more sense to go the sat phone route. > >> Put a lot of effort into the antenna; but the materials for that >> could be wire and string plus some primitive isolators. > > If you have a decent tower which is very unlikely indeed. > >> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. > > Don’t need anything like that with sat phones. Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat phone, I do not think I've ever known anyone who had one. That's not gonna help. Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's a boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service, which for most people will be totally useless outside of an emergency. Vs. total cost for a SW station with emergency power and a mess of $60 SW receivers?
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 09:38 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dpa10jF5fa9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163441 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:ngo5v8$3sn$1@dont-email.me... > On 5/8/2016 12:52 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message >> news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >>> In article <PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com>, >>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the house >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control >>>>>>>>>>>> network data. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not >>>>>>>>>>> succeed in doing >>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time >>>>>>>>>>> to have an >>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted >>>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around >>>>>>>> 50 deep >>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open >>>>>>>> 38" have >>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of >>>>>>>> them are >>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>> >>>>>> Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>> Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would >>>>>> depend on >>>>>> where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>> different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low >>>>>> millions >>>>>> for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow >>>>>> level of >>>>>> operation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>> hundred watts. >>>>> >>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent >>>>> setup, >>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>> operation. >>>> >>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one (and >>>> that assumes that someone nearby knows how to build it and make it >>>> work). >>> >>> You can scavenge all kinds of electronics. The "special" part is >>> the high current output transistors/thyristors/even pentodes. >> >> And you can't scavenge those, so it can't fly. >> >>> But then SW is only a few tens of megaherts, so you could >>> probably use any sort-of-recent high power thyristors. >> >> No you can't. No one has ever done SW that way. >> >>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >>>>>> production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and >>>>>> paying >>>>>> the electric bill. >>>>> >>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around >>>>> $5000 per >>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>>> >>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY >>>>> good. >>>> >>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source which >>>> may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>> >>> You don't have to build radio LUX. 50 watts is the normal output >>> for a hobbyist rookie license. You probably want to increase that by >>> 5-10fold to have a SW radio covering a 4-5 state area and could be >>> received with s simple whip or small dipole. >> >> Even that isnt feasible by scavenging now. >> >>> 500 watts of output through a simple transmitter would require a power >>> source of a few kilowatts. Say 3kw, and you have enough for lights, >>> a mixing table, a few cds and tape reels. (still in use on broadcast, >>> for the long nighters). Or some pcs with digital production tools. >> >> Makes a hell of a lot more sense to go the sat phone route. >> >>> Put a lot of effort into the antenna; but the materials for that >>> could be wire and string plus some primitive isolators. >> >> If you have a decent tower which is very unlikely indeed. >> >>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. >> >> Don’t need anything like that with sat phones. > > Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat phone, I do > not think I've ever known anyone who had one. I do. > That's not gonna help. It is for the sort of places that don’t have any real cellphone system with lots of redundancy in case of an emergency being discussed. > Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's a > boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service, Don’t need everyone to have one, just those that matter in an emergency. > which for most people will be totally useless outside of an emergency. Vs. > total cost for a SW station with emergency power and a mess of $60 SW > receivers? SW receivers are no use for his 11M service.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-08 19:43 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <ngom98$p84$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #163443 |
On 5/8/2016 6:38 PM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message > news:ngo5v8$3sn$1@dont-email.me... >> On 5/8/2016 12:52 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >>>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >>>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. >>> >>> Don’t need anything like that with sat phones. >> >> Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat >> phone, I do not think I've ever known anyone who had one. > > I do. Yup. I expect you need one in Dingo Bum, Australia. Morten probably has one for the places he goes, too. I excluded a.f.c. denizens in that statement. In the US, very few people have any reason to own one. Maybe in Alaska. > >> That's not gonna help. > > It is for the sort of places that don’t have any real cellphone system > with lots of redundancy in case of an emergency being discussed. Even Katrina took out cellphones in a fairly big area. For weeks. Something really big (what? I dunno, a Carrington Event takes out the power grids around the world, maybe) would be worse. > >> Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's >> a boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service, > > Don’t need everyone to have one, just those that matter in an emergency. > >> which for most people will be totally useless outside of an >> emergency. Vs. total cost for a SW station with emergency power and >> a mess of $60 SW receivers? > > SW receivers are no use for his 11M service. 11M is 25.6-26.1MHz. Most SW receivers should do that. It's a band that tends to be limited to groundwave, but that's ok, if you want long range go with something in a lower band. Biggest problem is that here 11M is also the CB band. On the plus side, some people would have CB gear that could be used as a receiver. On the negative side, some of them would probably interfere. But CB isn't widely used here any more, outside of a few channels. Most of the SW receivers on eBay cover the band. Probably Amazon too, but most of those don't show specs.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 13:05 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dpad3vF7g3nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163444 |
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote >>> Rod Speed wrote >>>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote >>>>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >>>>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. >>>> Don’t need anything like that with sat phones. >>> Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat >>> phone, I do not think I've ever known anyone who had one. >> I do. > Yup. I expect you need one in Dingo Bum, Australia. I don’t and I was saying I know people who have one, not that I have one myself. > Morten probably has one for the places he goes, too. I excluded a.f.c. > denizens in that statement. In the US, very few people have any reason to > own one. Maybe in Alaska. We aren't talking about communicating with the general public in an emergency situation, we are discussing what to do in an emergency situation in an area where there is no multiply redundant cellphone and landline service etc and it’s the professionals who are dealing with the emergency who are being communicated with, not the general public. The only sensible thing to do as far as communicating with the general public is to use the TV systems and the AM and FM radio systems, not SW radio. And SW radio is hopeless compared with what is possible with stat phones with the professionals involved in areas where the cellphone and landline system is unusable for a while until portable cellphone bases called COWs (cell on wheels) can be flown in etc. >>> That's not gonna help. >> It is for the sort of places that don’t have any real cellphone system >> with lots of redundancy in case of an emergency being discussed. > Even Katrina took out cellphones in a fairly big area. For weeks. Sure, but it makes a lot more sense to use the TV, AM and FM transmitters to communicate with the general public than to try to cobble up a high power SW transmitter when hardly anyone has anything to listen to that with and they all have multiple receivers for TV, AM and FM available. Plenty of them in their cars which can be used even without mains power. > Something really big (what? I dunno, a Carrington Event takes out the > power grids around the world, maybe) would be worse. Sure, but most of the TV, AM and FM transmitters and nearly all of the landline exchanges have backup generators which can be used in that situation and the vast bulk of the general public has access to receivers at least in cars and don’t need mains power to use the landline system. And sat phones are a lot more useful in that situation for the professionals than any high power SW transmitter desperately cobbled up out of whatever parts you can find etc. The military has plenty of comms capability that doesn’t rely on mains power too. >>> Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's >>> a boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service, >> Don’t need everyone to have one, just those that matter in an emergency. >>> which for most people will be totally useless outside of an >>> emergency. Vs. total cost for a SW station with emergency power and >>> a mess of $60 SW receivers? >> SW receivers are no use for his 11M service. > 11M is 25.6-26.1MHz. Most SW receivers should do that. But the problem is that the antennas used in the sort of SW receivers that most of the general public has is useless for any sort of range at that frequency. Sure, you can certainly use the CB radio band and there are quite a few receivers in that band, but it makes a lot more sense to use TV, AM and FM transmitters to communicate with the general public who has a hell of a lot more of them than they ever have SW receivers and CB radios. > It's a band that tends to be limited to groundwave, So is useless compared with TV, AM and FM just because those have the same groundwave distance limitation and have vastly more receivers already in the hands of the general public and are used by them every single day and plenty of them are in the cars and phones where they can be used if there is no mains power available. > but that's ok, if you want long range go with something in a lower band. And get to wear the fact that fuck all have receivers for that anymore. > Biggest problem is that here 11M is also the CB band. And you can be sure that that will be swamped with people using it if there is no cellphone and landline system working. > On the plus side, some people would have CB gear that could be used as a > receiver. On the negative side, some of them would probably interfere. Absolutely certainly would be in a massive emergency which has taken out the cellphone and landline systems. That cant happen with the TV, AM and FM systems, so it makes a hell of a lot more sense to use those instead, even if you do have to cobble up something for the emergency. > But CB isn't widely used here any more, outside of a few channels. But would be in the sort of emergency that has taken out the cellphone and landline systems. > Most of the SW receivers on eBay cover the band. Probably Amazon too, but > most of those don't show specs. And fuck all have them. Amazon won't be delivering in that sort of emergency even if they do have droid delivery by then.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 08:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <cmm50d-2ub.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163444 |
In article <ngom98$p84$1@dont-email.me>, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >On 5/8/2016 6:38 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message >> news:ngo5v8$3sn$1@dont-email.me... >>> On 5/8/2016 12:52 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... > >>>>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >>>>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. >>>> >>>> Don’t need anything like that with sat phones. >>> >>> Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat >>> phone, I do not think I've ever known anyone who had one. >> >> I do. > >Yup. I expect you need one in Dingo Bum, Australia. Morten probably >has one for the places he goes, too. I excluded a.f.c. denizens in >that statement. In the US, very few people have any reason to own one. >Maybe in Alaska. I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside Denmark. It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue teams are there. I have three of them. One small handheld one at 1W, one 5W luggable one and one 40W one mounted in my boat. I take second one with a good tree-mountable antenna for field trips. >>> That's not gonna help. >> >> It is for the sort of places that don’t have any real cellphone system >> with lots of redundancy in case of an emergency being discussed. > >Even Katrina took out cellphones in a fairly big area. For weeks. >Something really big (what? I dunno, a Carrington Event takes out the >power grids around the world, maybe) would be worse. >> >>> Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's >>> a boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service, >> >> Don’t need everyone to have one, just those that matter in an emergency. >> >>> which for most people will be totally useless outside of an >>> emergency. Vs. total cost for a SW station with emergency power and >>> a mess of $60 SW receivers? >> >> SW receivers are no use for his 11M service. > >11M is 25.6-26.1MHz. Most SW receivers should do that. It's a band >that tends to be limited to groundwave, but that's ok, if you want >long range go with something in a lower band. Biggest problem is that >here 11M is also the CB band. On the plus side, some people would have >CB gear that could be used as a receiver. On the negative side, some >of them would probably interfere. But CB isn't widely used here any >more, outside of a few channels. > >Most of the SW receivers on eBay cover the band. Probably Amazon too, >but most of those don't show specs. Any SW receiver worth the name should cover the 11m to the 49m bands, with the allocated frequencies in the ~7 smaller bands. -- mrr
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 20:51 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dpb8ctFcl0tU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163452 |
"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message news:cmm50d-2ub.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... > In article <ngom98$p84$1@dont-email.me>, > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>On 5/8/2016 6:38 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message >>> news:ngo5v8$3sn$1@dont-email.me... >>>> On 5/8/2016 12:52 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >> >>>>>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >>>>>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. >>>>> >>>>> Don’t need anything like that with sat phones. >>>> >>>> Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat >>>> phone, I do not think I've ever known anyone who had one. >>> >>> I do. >> >>Yup. I expect you need one in Dingo Bum, Australia. Morten probably >>has one for the places he goes, too. I excluded a.f.c. denizens in >>that statement. In the US, very few people have any reason to own one. >>Maybe in Alaska. > > I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along > all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully > run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside > Denmark. > > It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not > AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue > teams are there. > > I have three of them. One small handheld one at 1W, one 5W luggable one > and one 40W one mounted in my boat. I take second one with a good > tree-mountable > antenna for field trips. But TV, AM and FM broadcast stations are a hell of a lot more useful ways to communicate with the general public in an emergency and sat phones work a hell of a lot better for communication with the professionals in that situation when the cellphone and landline systems aren't usable. >>>> That's not gonna help. >>> >>> It is for the sort of places that don’t have any real cellphone system >>> with lots of redundancy in case of an emergency being discussed. >> >>Even Katrina took out cellphones in a fairly big area. For weeks. >>Something really big (what? I dunno, a Carrington Event takes out the >>power grids around the world, maybe) would be worse. >>> >>>> Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's >>>> a boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service, >>> >>> Don’t need everyone to have one, just those that matter in an emergency. >>> >>>> which for most people will be totally useless outside of an >>>> emergency. Vs. total cost for a SW station with emergency power and >>>> a mess of $60 SW receivers? >>> >>> SW receivers are no use for his 11M service. >> >>11M is 25.6-26.1MHz. Most SW receivers should do that. It's a band >>that tends to be limited to groundwave, but that's ok, if you want >>long range go with something in a lower band. Biggest problem is that >>here 11M is also the CB band. On the plus side, some people would have >>CB gear that could be used as a receiver. On the negative side, some >>of them would probably interfere. But CB isn't widely used here any >>more, outside of a few channels. >> >>Most of the SW receivers on eBay cover the band. Probably Amazon too, >>but most of those don't show specs. > > Any SW receiver worth the name should cover the 11m to the 49m bands, > with the allocated frequencies in the ~7 smaller bands. And fuck all have them compared with TV, AM and FM radios.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 13:17 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <e6860d-use.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163453 |
In article <dpb8ctFcl0tU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > > >"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message >news:cmm50d-2ub.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >> In article <ngom98$p84$1@dont-email.me>, >> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>On 5/8/2016 6:38 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ngo5v8$3sn$1@dont-email.me... >>>>> On 5/8/2016 12:52 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >>> >>>>>>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >>>>>>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don’t need anything like that with sat phones. >>>>> >>>>> Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat >>>>> phone, I do not think I've ever known anyone who had one. >>>> >>>> I do. >>> >>>Yup. I expect you need one in Dingo Bum, Australia. Morten probably >>>has one for the places he goes, too. I excluded a.f.c. denizens in >>>that statement. In the US, very few people have any reason to own one. >>>Maybe in Alaska. >> >> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along >> all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully >> run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside >> Denmark. >> >> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not >> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue >> teams are there. >> >> I have three of them. One small handheld one at 1W, one 5W luggable one >> and one 40W one mounted in my boat. I take second one with a good >> tree-mountable >> antenna for field trips. > >But TV, AM and FM broadcast stations are a hell of a lot >more useful ways to communicate with the general public >in an emergency and sat phones work a hell of a lot better >for communication with the professionals in that situation >when the cellphone and landline systems aren't usable. TV, AM and FM are broadcast media. They are from the authorities to the public. Useful, yes, but in emergencies you need back channels as well. We got the experience with Dagmar (the hurricane) a few years ago. It hit two counties along the coast very badly, and the hinterland severely. The two counties were more or less without power for 6-7 days, and it hit near the winter solstice so solar panels were pretty useless at 65 deg north. The mobile network was gone before the center of the storm hit. Of the ~350 base stations around 200 were hit by wind forces enough to dislocate masts and antennas, and the remainder got hit by the power outage. After around 48 hours the phone network died completely. A satellite phone would work, but who could they call? The maritime communication network based on VHF (@28Mhz) worked fine all through. They lost one transponder, but that was for convenience only. OK, that gave you 8 phone lines to the world and 8 internal comms channels. Not much, but enough for distress calls and emergency repair workers. And every boat had one. (This was in a community based on the sea, so there were a lot of boats). It took 9 days before everyone had power back and 8 before landline service was restored. And the rest of the country had some outages too, but nothing like this. >>>>> That's not gonna help. >>>> >>>> It is for the sort of places that don’t have any real cellphone system >>>> with lots of redundancy in case of an emergency being discussed. >>> >>>Even Katrina took out cellphones in a fairly big area. For weeks. >>>Something really big (what? I dunno, a Carrington Event takes out the >>>power grids around the world, maybe) would be worse. >>>> >>>>> Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's >>>>> a boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service, >>>> >>>> Don’t need everyone to have one, just those that matter in an emergency. >>>> >>>>> which for most people will be totally useless outside of an >>>>> emergency. Vs. total cost for a SW station with emergency power and >>>>> a mess of $60 SW receivers? >>>> >>>> SW receivers are no use for his 11M service. >>> >>>11M is 25.6-26.1MHz. Most SW receivers should do that. It's a band >>>that tends to be limited to groundwave, but that's ok, if you want >>>long range go with something in a lower band. Biggest problem is that >>>here 11M is also the CB band. On the plus side, some people would have >>>CB gear that could be used as a receiver. On the negative side, some >>>of them would probably interfere. But CB isn't widely used here any >>>more, outside of a few channels. >>> >>>Most of the SW receivers on eBay cover the band. Probably Amazon too, >>>but most of those don't show specs. >> >> Any SW receiver worth the name should cover the 11m to the 49m bands, >> with the allocated frequencies in the ~7 smaller bands. > >And fuck all have them compared with TV, AM and FM radios. The local FM stations for both TV and radio were out, too. They could receive broadcasts from further away, with a good location and antenna. You must assume that all fixed infrastructure is gone when you plan for disaster recovery. Satellite, AM radio (from afar), SW portable sets, and after a week or so, basestations on wheels. SW is a far more resilient solution than satellite when you talk about large communities. -- mrr
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 04:42 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dpc404Fidb0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163454 |
"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message news:e6860d-use.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... > In article <dpb8ctFcl0tU1@mid.individual.net>, > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message >>news:cmm50d-2ub.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >>> In article <ngom98$p84$1@dont-email.me>, >>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>On 5/8/2016 6:38 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:ngo5v8$3sn$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>> On 5/8/2016 12:52 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >>>> >>>>>>>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >>>>>>>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long >>>>>>>> period. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don’t need anything like that with sat phones. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat >>>>>> phone, I do not think I've ever known anyone who had one. >>>>> >>>>> I do. >>>> >>>>Yup. I expect you need one in Dingo Bum, Australia. Morten probably >>>>has one for the places he goes, too. I excluded a.f.c. denizens in >>>>that statement. In the US, very few people have any reason to own one. >>>>Maybe in Alaska. >>> >>> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along >>> all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have >>> successfully >>> run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside >>> Denmark. >>> >>> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not >>> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency >>> rescue >>> teams are there. >>> >>> I have three of them. One small handheld one at 1W, one 5W luggable one >>> and one 40W one mounted in my boat. I take second one with a good >>> tree-mountable >>> antenna for field trips. >> >>But TV, AM and FM broadcast stations are a hell of a lot >>more useful ways to communicate with the general public >>in an emergency and sat phones work a hell of a lot better >>for communication with the professionals in that situation >>when the cellphone and landline systems aren't usable. > > TV, AM and FM are broadcast media. They are from the authorities > to the public. Useful, yes, In fact by far the best way to communicate with the general public because almost all of them have receivers for those and plenty of them are in cars so they work even if mains power is temporarily unavailable. > but in emergencies you need back channels as well. Yes, but SW isnt the way to do that. That is much better done using what still works with the cellphone and landline service and with sat phones at are there just for that back channel so that those who are affect by the major emergency can tell those who will be providing emergency assistant with information about what they need and what has happened etc when that information can not be obtained using observational satellites etc. > We got the experience with Dagmar (the hurricane) a few years > ago. It hit two counties along the coast very badly, and the > hinterland severely. > The two counties were more or less without power for 6-7 days, > and it hit near the winter solstice so solar panels were pretty > useless at 65 deg north. And that is the situation where AM and FM and digital radios in cars ensure that there are viable ways to communicate with the general public by the authoritys that need to tell the general public what they need to do, what assistance will be coming, where the areas of high risk are, etc etc etc. > The mobile network was gone before the center of the storm > hit. Of the ~350 base stations around 200 were hit by wind forces > enough to dislocate masts and antennas, and the remainder got > hit by the power outage. And that is readily fixable in the long term by having some much more robust mobile bases that can survive anything. Perfectly practical to do that and leave SW for dead. Same with generators for the essential core mobile infrastructure that can survive anything. > After around 48 hours the phone network died completely. > A satellite phone would work, but who could they call? Those who are not in the area who will be providing assistance to them. In the case of remote islands, that can be provided from thousands of miles away trivially and that is what happens with the pacific islands every single year. > The maritime communication network based on VHF (@28Mhz) worked fine > all through. They lost one transponder, but that was for convenience only. And it is perfectly possible to make the core of the mobile system as robust as that too and to fly in COWs using choppers too. > OK, that gave you 8 phone lines to the world and 8 internal > comms channels. Not much, but enough for distress calls and > emergency repair workers. And every boat had one. (This was > in a community based on the sea, so there were a lot of boats). Sat phones in the police stations and fire station and hospitals etc make a lot more sense than having VHF maritime radio for that. > It took 9 days before everyone had power back Doesn’t matter how long it takes for everyone to have power back, what matters is how long it takes for the important stuff to have power back emergency wise. > and 8 before landline service was restored. That must not have been very well designed. Ours isnt out for anything like that long when we have hurricanes or cyclones. When Darwin was almost completely obliterated, the landline system survived fine and I know that because I know someone who was personally involved in controlling access to it so that it wasn’t used for trivial crap that didn’t matter early on when the emergency services needed to use it to coordinate the response. > And the rest of the country had some outages too, but nothing like this. Sure, same with Darwin and Katrina. >>>>>> That's not gonna help. >>>>> >>>>> It is for the sort of places that don’t have any real cellphone system >>>>> with lots of redundancy in case of an emergency being discussed. >>>> >>>>Even Katrina took out cellphones in a fairly big area. For weeks. >>>>Something really big (what? I dunno, a Carrington Event takes out the >>>>power grids around the world, maybe) would be worse. >>>>> >>>>>> Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's >>>>>> a boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service, >>>>> >>>>> Don’t need everyone to have one, just those that matter in an >>>>> emergency. >>>>> >>>>>> which for most people will be totally useless outside of an >>>>>> emergency. Vs. total cost for a SW station with emergency power and >>>>>> a mess of $60 SW receivers? >>>>> >>>>> SW receivers are no use for his 11M service. >>>> >>>>11M is 25.6-26.1MHz. Most SW receivers should do that. It's a band >>>>that tends to be limited to groundwave, but that's ok, if you want >>>>long range go with something in a lower band. Biggest problem is that >>>>here 11M is also the CB band. On the plus side, some people would have >>>>CB gear that could be used as a receiver. On the negative side, some >>>>of them would probably interfere. But CB isn't widely used here any >>>>more, outside of a few channels. >>>> >>>>Most of the SW receivers on eBay cover the band. Probably Amazon too, >>>>but most of those don't show specs. >>> >>> Any SW receiver worth the name should cover the 11m to the 49m bands, >>> with the allocated frequencies in the ~7 smaller bands. >> >>And fuck all have them compared with TV, AM and FM radios. > > The local FM stations for both TV and radio were out, too. Then they should be designed more robustly so they survive. I know ours would and so did Darwin's. > They could receive broadcasts from further > away, with a good location and antenna. And that's all you need, some that can do that so that the information that is broadcast can be spread locally using even just word of mouth. > You must assume that all fixed infrastructure > is gone when you plan for disaster recovery. Nope, it makes a lot more sense to design a core of it that survives anything. That's what we do and it works fine. > Satellite, AM radio (from afar), SW portable sets, > and after a week or so, basestations on wheels. Don’t need to wait a week for basestations and COWs to be flown in by chopper. > SW is a far more resilient solution than satellite > when you talk about large communities. Bullshit it is compared with sat phones in the most important places like police stations, fire stations, hospitals etc etc etc. That works FAR better than SW essentially because the comms system is vastly more reliable and capable and allows a full net service as well. That’s how the pacific islands do it and they get serious emergencies most years.
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| From | Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 08:48 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <877ff3tk9q.fsf@senguio.mx> |
| In reply to | #163452 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: > I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along > all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully > run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside Denmark. > > It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not > AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue > teams are there. You *SURE* about that? The only marine stuff that I know of is up around 156-160 - nowhere near 28. --NK1G
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 12:42 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605091240540.27264@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #163466 |
On Mon, 9 May 2016, Lawrence Statton NK1G wrote: > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along >> all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully >> run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside Denmark. >> >> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not >> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue >> teams are there. > > You *SURE* about that? The only marine stuff that I know of is up > around 156-160 - nowhere near 28. > Maybe it's different in Europe? There used to be the 500KHz calling frequency for maritime emergencies, did that get deleted in recent times? I think so. The marine band used to be in the 2MHz range, then the VHF band as you mention was added in the late sixties or early seventies, making it more accessible (smaller antenna, cheaper equipment, I think more channels), while the shortwave marine band went SSB (from AM) and became more exclusive. I think it's still there, but not certain. Michael
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