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Re: AM radio Qbasic

From Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: AM radio Qbasic
Date 2016-05-09 13:17 +0200
Organization Me, Myself and I
Message-ID <e6860d-use.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> (permalink)
References <PM00053099A0C69A1F@aca4007c.ipt.aol.com> <ngom98$p84$1@dont-email.me> <cmm50d-2ub.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> <dpb8ctFcl0tU1@mid.individual.net>

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In article <dpb8ctFcl0tU1@mid.individual.net>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:cmm50d-2ub.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
>> In article <ngom98$p84$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Dave Garland  <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>On 5/8/2016 6:38 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ngo5v8$3sn$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 5/8/2016 12:52 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:47u30d-ot9.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
>>>
>>>>>>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla
>>>>>>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don’t need anything like that with sat phones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aside from the few people on a.f.c. who probably do have a sat
>>>>> phone, I do not think I've ever known anyone who had one.
>>>>
>>>> I do.
>>>
>>>Yup. I expect you need one in Dingo Bum, Australia. Morten probably
>>>has one for the places he goes, too. I excluded a.f.c. denizens in
>>>that statement. In the US, very few people have any reason to own one.
>>>Maybe in Alaska.
>>
>> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along
>> all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully
>> run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside 
>> Denmark.
>>
>> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not
>> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue
>> teams are there.
>>
>> I have three of them. One small handheld one at 1W, one 5W luggable one
>> and one 40W one mounted in my boat. I take second one with a good 
>> tree-mountable
>> antenna for field trips.
>
>But TV, AM and FM broadcast stations are a hell of a lot
>more useful ways to communicate with the general public
>in an emergency and sat phones work a hell of a lot better
>for communication with the professionals in that situation
>when the cellphone and landline systems aren't usable.

TV, AM and FM are broadcast media. They are from the authorities
to the public. Useful, yes, but in emergencies you need back
channels as well.

We got the experience with Dagmar (the hurricane) a few years
ago. It hit two counties along the coast very badly, and the 
hinterland severely.

The two counties were more or less without power for 6-7 days, 
and it hit near the winter solstice so solar panels were pretty
useless at 65 deg north.

The mobile network was gone before the center of the storm
hit. Of the ~350 base stations around 200 were hit by wind forces
enough to dislocate masts and antennas, and the remainder got
hit by the power outage. 

After around 48 hours the phone network died completely.

A satellite phone would work, but who could they call? 

The maritime communication network based on VHF (@28Mhz) worked fine
all through. They lost one transponder, but that was for convenience
only.

OK, that gave you 8 phone lines to the world and 8 internal comms
channels. Not much, but enough for distress calls and emergency
repair workers. And every boat had one. (This was in a community
based on the sea, so there were a lot of boats).

It took 9 days before everyone had power back and 8 before landline
service was restored. And the rest of the country had some outages
too, but nothing like this.

>>>>> That's not gonna help.
>>>>
>>>> It is for the sort of places that don’t have any real cellphone system
>>>> with lots of redundancy in case of an emergency being discussed.
>>>
>>>Even Katrina took out cellphones in a fairly big area. For weeks.
>>>Something really big (what? I dunno, a Carrington Event takes out the
>>>power grids around the world, maybe) would be worse.
>>>>
>>>>> Ok. total cost for everyone to have a sat phone and service? That's
>>>>> a boatload of sat phones at $600-$1000 apiece, not counting service,
>>>>
>>>> Don’t need everyone to have one, just those that matter in an emergency.
>>>>
>>>>> which for most people will be totally useless outside of an
>>>>> emergency. Vs. total cost for a SW station with emergency power and
>>>>> a mess of $60 SW receivers?
>>>>
>>>> SW receivers are no use for his 11M service.
>>>
>>>11M is 25.6-26.1MHz.  Most SW receivers should do that. It's a band
>>>that tends to be limited to groundwave, but that's ok, if you want
>>>long range go with something in a lower band. Biggest problem is that
>>>here 11M is also the CB band. On the plus side, some people would have
>>>CB gear that could be used as a receiver. On the negative side, some
>>>of them would probably interfere. But CB isn't widely used here any
>>>more, outside of a few channels.
>>>
>>>Most of the SW receivers on eBay cover the band. Probably Amazon too,
>>>but most of those don't show specs.
>>
>> Any SW receiver worth the name should cover the 11m to the 49m bands,
>> with the allocated frequencies in the ~7 smaller bands.
>
>And fuck all have them compared with TV, AM and FM radios. 

The local FM stations for both TV and radio were out, too. They could
receive broadcasts from further away, with a good location and antenna.

You must assume that all fixed infrastructure is gone when you plan
for disaster recovery. Satellite, AM radio (from afar), SW portable sets, 
and after a week or so, basestations on wheels.

SW is a far more resilient solution than satellite when you talk about
large communities. 

-- mrr

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                Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 15:00 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:57 +1000
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 08:41 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:53 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-05 21:14 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:52 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-05 11:27 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 14:52 +0200
                Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 04:04 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-05 22:50 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 08:26 +1000
                Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:39 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:37 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-03 10:52 -0700
                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:40 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-04 19:04 -0700
                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:57 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-05 13:43 -0700
                Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 07:38 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:24 -0400
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:45 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-12 13:47 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-12 16:50 +0200
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 05:04 +1000
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:32 -0400
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:30 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-12 17:00 -0700
                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:18 -0700
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 17:36 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-14 16:07 +0200
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 12:04 -0500
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:28 +1000
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:47 -0400
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-14 11:43 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-14 16:20 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-14 20:35 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-15 09:23 -0400
                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-15 12:51 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-15 16:59 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-15 11:59 -0400
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 18:52 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-16 01:45 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 22:24 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-16 10:13 -0700
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 18:41 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:09 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-17 10:29 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-20 20:36 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-20 19:48 -0500
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-16 09:35 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-16 13:16 +0200
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-16 13:13 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 10:36 -0400
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-16 20:18 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-16 20:46 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 09:53 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-17 12:07 +0200
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:51 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-17 09:26 -0500
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:51 +1000
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:44 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:44 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:43 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 12:41 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:29 +0000
                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-19 12:00 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 01:36 +0000
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:38 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 16:44 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 16:38 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-18 13:04 -0500
                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-18 18:51 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-18 14:03 -0500
                Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:19 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:13 -0500
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-26 11:42 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 11:49 -0400
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:32 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-28 06:09 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-18 16:12 -0300
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-18 20:29 +0000
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:20 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 06:20 -0700
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:17 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 21:36 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:11 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 14:47 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-04-19 22:06 -0300
                Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 10:31 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-20 10:55 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 11:15 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-21 08:01 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 12:34 -0400
                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-20 10:20 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 15:29 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:24 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 15:25 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-20 18:07 +0000
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 13:07 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-20 11:44 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 15:25 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-21 08:19 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-21 15:25 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 17:58 +0000
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-21 11:28 +0000
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 07:11 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-20 17:49 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 03:52 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-21 08:11 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 17:58 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 12:34 -0400
                Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-21 14:57 -0500
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-21 20:20 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-22 11:18 -0400
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:24 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 16:25 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-16 19:42 -0400
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:15 +1000
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 12:21 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 06:03 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:33 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-22 07:11 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 05:31 +1000
                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-22 15:01 -0500
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 12:21 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-24 11:21 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-24 12:43 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-04-25 07:16 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-25 10:10 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-25 15:42 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-25 16:55 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-04-26 00:05 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 06:14 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-26 07:08 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-26 12:39 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 13:54 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-26 10:18 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 16:39 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-26 11:44 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:15 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:44 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 10:50 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 11:10 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-24 11:39 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 07:43 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-24 12:20 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-24 17:01 -0300
                Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-26 21:37 +0200
                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-26 16:37 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-26 22:16 -0500
                Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-27 14:18 +1000
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-27 12:39 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 19:32 +0100
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-28 12:06 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-28 13:43 +0100
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-29 12:18 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-29 13:39 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-29 15:19 +0200
                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-29 14:27 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-29 09:58 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-29 19:51 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 06:28 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:11 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 14:14 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 09:54 -0400
                Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 13:54 +1000
                Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 13:46 +1000
                Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 06:11 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 09:02 +0200
                Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 05:49 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-25 15:08 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-25 16:55 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-25 23:56 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-04-22 01:02 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-22 15:22 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 11:41 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 11:21 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:25 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:45 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 15:37 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:29 +0000
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 19:18 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 17:04 -0300
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 17:52 -0400
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:17 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:39 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 12:25 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 06:00 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:22 +1000
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:49 -0500
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-26 11:02 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-26 17:38 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-04-26 14:31 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-26 21:21 +0000
                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 18:33 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:35 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-27 16:19 -0300
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 19:53 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-30 15:24 -0300
                Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:14 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 06:06 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 10:59 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 11:12 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 14:21 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 11:38 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 13:51 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 19:36 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 08:48 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 20:05 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 09:09 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-28 22:25 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 13:46 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 20:01 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 20:00 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 22:39 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 22:03 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 19:36 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:30 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-29 19:30 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-30 23:39 +0200
                Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:23 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-26 22:55 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 10:00 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 10:08 -0700
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:35 +0000
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-27 12:40 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 14:24 -0400
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-28 12:06 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-27 12:59 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 08:59 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-04-28 20:43 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-28 19:14 -0400
                Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:41 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-29 19:30 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-29 22:05 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-29 17:20 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-30 07:10 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-30 01:44 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-30 06:25 -0400
                Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-30 23:58 -0400
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:55 +0000
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-01 12:26 +0000
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 18:25 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:12 +0000
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-02 17:52 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:58 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 04:35 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-02 22:11 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-03 06:59 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-03 14:34 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 12:37 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-03 19:00 +0000
                Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 17:07 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 22:49 -0400
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 04:35 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-03 13:43 -0700
                Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:02 +1000
                Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-06 19:13 -0400
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-07 13:14 +0000
                Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-07 16:27 -0400
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-08 13:08 +0000
                Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-08 20:49 -0400
                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-07 20:29 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-07 16:47 +0000
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-07 20:23 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 12:29 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-30 12:43 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 19:58 +0100
                Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-01 06:59 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-30 15:09 -0500
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:49 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-01 00:06 +0200
                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-01 04:36 +0100
                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:53 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-01 06:04 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:12 +0000
                Re:AM radio  Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-30 12:00 -0700
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 15:47 -0500
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-01 00:15 +0000
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-01 12:26 +0000
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-01 15:24 +0000
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-02 13:13 +0000
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:45 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-02 15:51 -0400
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-02 16:09 -0500
                Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 07:40 +1000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:33 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-03 13:47 -0700
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:33 +0100
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 15:11 +0000
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-03 13:35 +0100
                Re: AM radio  Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:28 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
                Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:50 -0500
                Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:32 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:30 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:27 +0100
                Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:23 +0100
                Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:43 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-04 16:13 -0400
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 22:08 +0100
                Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-05 19:45 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-06 07:22 -0400
                Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-06 15:34 +0000
                Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-06 22:50 +0200

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