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| Started by | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| First post | 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-04-11 22:01 -0500 |
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Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 09:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 04:03 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 09:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:12 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 17:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-12 00:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 21:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-02 15:12 +1100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-02 15:15 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-02 05:34 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-02 08:31 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-02 12:21 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-02 20:49 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 08:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 10:12 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 19:43 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 15:45 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:29 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 16:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-03 20:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Gatuzo <Gatuzo@mccarragher.org> - 2016-04-03 21:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 21:42 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 11:56 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:47 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 22:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 06:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-04 14:04 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 15:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-04 15:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 17:05 +0100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 18:42 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-05 03:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-12 19:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-12 19:13 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-13 06:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 06:33 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-13 07:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 06:30 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:22 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:56 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:16 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 18:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:05 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 18:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 10:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 07:08 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 07:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:48 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 09:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-04 15:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-06 00:39 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-06 09:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:31 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:50 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 14:16 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:20 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 19:24 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:31 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 14:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:22 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:56 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 11:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 06:36 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 06:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 08:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:40 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:31 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-05 12:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:03 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 05:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-12 16:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-13 11:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-11 20:51 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:10 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-12 07:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:07 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:31 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 16:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 17:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:36 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 22:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:35 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 21:54 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-13 23:04 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-14 11:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-14 16:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 16:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-14 23:23 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-15 16:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 20:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-15 11:00 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-02 16:28 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-04-02 21:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 08:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 16:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:21 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:49 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-06 16:32 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 11:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:13 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-02 20:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 05:29 +0100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 07:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 14:00 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 08:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 06:18 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 10:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:27 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 16:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-03 11:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-03 11:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:55 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-03 11:14 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 20:31 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 01:58 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:50 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 21:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 22:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:33 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-04 09:22 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:42 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 22:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:38 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 06:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 10:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 17:20 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:02 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:44 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 20:23 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:50 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 19:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:40 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 15:00 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:57 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 08:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-05 21:14 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-05 11:27 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 14:52 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 04:04 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-05 22:50 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 08:26 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:39 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:37 +0100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-03 10:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:40 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-04 19:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-05 13:43 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 07:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-12 13:47 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-12 16:50 +0200
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 05:04 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:32 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-12 17:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:18 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 17:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-14 16:07 +0200
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 12:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-14 11:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-14 16:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-14 20:35 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-15 09:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-15 12:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-15 16:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-15 11:59 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 18:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-16 01:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 22:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-16 10:13 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 18:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-17 10:29 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-20 20:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-20 19:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-16 09:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-16 13:16 +0200
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-16 13:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 10:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-16 20:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-16 20:46 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 09:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-17 12:07 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-17 09:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:51 +1000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:44 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:43 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 12:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-19 12:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 01:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 16:44 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 16:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-18 13:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-18 18:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-18 14:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:19 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:13 -0500
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-26 11:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 11:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-28 06:09 +1000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-18 16:12 -0300
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-18 20:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 06:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 21:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:11 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 14:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-04-19 22:06 -0300
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 10:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-20 10:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 11:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-21 08:01 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 12:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-20 10:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 15:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 15:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-20 18:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 13:07 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-20 11:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 15:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-21 08:19 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-21 15:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 17:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-21 11:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 07:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-20 17:49 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 03:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-21 08:11 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 17:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 12:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-21 14:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-21 20:20 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-22 11:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 16:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-16 19:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 12:21 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 06:03 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:33 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-22 07:11 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 05:31 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-22 15:01 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 12:21 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-24 11:21 +0200
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-24 12:43 +0200
Re: Qbasic Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-04-25 07:16 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-25 10:10 +0200
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-25 15:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-25 16:55 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-04-26 00:05 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 06:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-26 07:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-26 12:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 13:54 +0100
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-26 10:18 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 16:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-26 11:44 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:15 +0200
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 10:50 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 11:10 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-24 11:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 07:43 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-24 12:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-24 17:01 -0300
Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-26 21:37 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-26 16:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-26 22:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-27 14:18 +1000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-27 12:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 19:32 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-28 13:43 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-29 12:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-29 13:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-29 15:19 +0200
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-29 14:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-29 09:58 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-29 19:51 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 06:28 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:11 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 14:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 09:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 13:54 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 13:46 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 06:11 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 09:02 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 05:49 +1000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-25 15:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-25 16:55 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-25 23:56 +0200
Re: Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-04-22 01:02 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-22 15:22 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 11:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 11:21 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:45 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 15:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 19:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 17:04 -0300
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 12:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 06:00 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:22 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:49 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-26 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-04-26 14:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-26 21:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 18:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-27 16:19 -0300
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 19:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-30 15:24 -0300
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 06:06 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 10:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 11:12 +0100
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 14:21 -0400
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 11:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 13:51 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 08:48 +0200
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 20:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 09:09 +0200
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-28 22:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 13:46 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 20:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 20:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 22:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 22:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:30 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-29 19:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-30 23:39 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:23 -0500
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-26 22:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 10:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 10:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-27 12:40 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 14:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-27 12:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 08:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-04-28 20:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-28 19:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-29 19:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-29 22:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-29 17:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-30 07:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-30 01:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-30 06:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-30 23:58 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:55 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-01 12:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 18:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-02 17:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:58 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 04:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-02 22:11 -0400
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-03 06:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-03 14:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 12:37 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-03 19:00 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 17:07 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 22:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 04:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-03 13:43 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:02 +1000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-06 19:13 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-07 13:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-07 16:27 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-08 13:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-08 20:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-07 20:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-07 16:47 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 12:29 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-30 12:43 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 19:58 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-01 06:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-30 15:09 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:49 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-01 00:06 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-01 04:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-01 06:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:12 +0000
Re:AM radio Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-30 12:00 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 15:47 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-01 00:15 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-01 12:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-01 15:24 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-02 13:13 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:45 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-02 15:51 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-02 16:09 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 07:40 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:33 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-03 13:47 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:33 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 15:11 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-03 13:35 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:28 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:50 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:32 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:30 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:27 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:35 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:23 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:43 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-04 16:13 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 22:08 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-05 19:45 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-06 07:22 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-06 15:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-06 22:50 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-07 05:35 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 02:35 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-07 20:01 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-07 17:33 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-08 06:52 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 08:35 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-08 14:40 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 10:40 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-08 12:17 -0400
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-07 20:13 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-05-07 20:45 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-07 23:45 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-04 18:32 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:48 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-02 12:49 -0700
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Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 18:26 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 08:24 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 05:53 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:33 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-05-03 14:54 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 23:08 -0400
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 15:11 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-04 16:43 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-04 23:17 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-05 13:37 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-05 12:25 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-05 12:42 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-06 13:28 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 08:17 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:59 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-04 15:13 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-04 23:26 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-03 21:09 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 22:56 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 23:38 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:55 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 04:02 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-03 13:37 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-03 17:17 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:37 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:24 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 17:37 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-05 00:58 +0200
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 10:26 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 14:38 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 05:11 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 14:46 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-05 15:35 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-06 18:10 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-07 13:14 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-07 13:54 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-09 15:11 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic pechter@pechter.net (William Pechter) - 2016-05-09 22:26 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-09 15:09 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 23:57 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:49 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-11 07:07 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 15:23 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-10 12:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 03:45 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 15:27 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 04:53 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-10 12:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-10 13:03 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-11 12:18 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-11 13:13 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-12 13:04 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-12 14:44 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-12 15:47 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-13 12:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 09:00 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-13 10:00 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 11:06 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 18:16 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 12:24 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 20:25 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 14:27 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-14 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-14 15:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-14 21:07 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-14 15:12 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-14 16:15 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-14 19:42 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-14 19:17 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-15 10:28 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-15 11:37 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-15 09:16 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-15 09:21 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-15 09:55 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-15 10:26 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-15 15:19 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-15 09:57 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-16 20:26 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-17 12:32 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 16:26 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-12 11:37 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 03:19 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 09:53 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 10:18 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-11 16:29 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 14:29 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 13:59 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 21:37 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 21:37 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-12 12:39 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-12 14:43 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-12 19:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-11 21:11 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 05:00 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 15:56 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:56 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:18 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:49 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-10 16:00 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-11 07:16 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:53 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-10 17:22 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 15:18 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-10 18:20 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:23 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-10 19:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:13 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-13 12:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-13 12:43 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-09 16:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-09 18:07 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-09 14:47 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:06 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 11:57 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:15 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:11 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 23:49 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:06 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:07 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 08:30 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 20:30 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-16 22:39 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mrr@sambook.reistad.name (Morten Reistad) - 2016-05-17 11:10 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 16:19 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 20:29 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 04:45 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-10 16:01 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 15:20 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 22:59 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-10 19:15 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 10:53 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-08 10:42 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-08 18:38 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-08 12:40 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 03:36 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 05:32 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 05:13 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-04 00:32 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 10:36 +1000
Re: Re:AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:00 +1000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-02 13:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-30 15:19 -0300
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 18:31 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-27 07:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-28 22:03 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 12:50 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-26 12:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 11:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:28 +0200
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-04-26 20:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 00:34 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-27 14:23 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 03:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 06:02 +1000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 23:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 02:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 11:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 10:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 11:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 18:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 18:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 17:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-19 19:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 09:13 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 07:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 13:19 +0100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 17:20 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-19 13:55 +0200
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 16:47 -0300
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-18 16:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 17:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 19:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 07:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-19 14:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 21:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-19 11:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-19 16:04 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 17:07 -0300
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-19 16:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-20 00:45 -0300
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 21:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-20 06:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 21:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 01:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 18:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:03 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 11:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 07:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-17 14:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 14:16 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 12:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 20:09 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 18:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-18 12:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:31 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:46 +1000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:42 +1000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-18 03:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 07:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 20:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:48 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 09:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:51 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-18 12:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:53 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-18 19:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-18 19:04 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 11:28 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 11:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-16 06:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-16 12:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 07:24 -0400
Re: Wikipedia interest, was Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-16 13:10 -0700
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-17 11:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:57 +0100
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:54 +0100
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-18 11:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 14:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-18 15:44 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 21:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 06:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 10:51 +0000
Epigenetics (was Re: Qbasic) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-18 15:48 -0300
Re: Epigenetics (was Re: Qbasic) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 21:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:06 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:21 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:55 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-13 17:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:37 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-05 10:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:08 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-06 07:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 19:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-06 12:49 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:42 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:14 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-04 14:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:58 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 22:02 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 22:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-05 09:32 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 16:00 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-11 21:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-05 22:56 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-06 09:34 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 06:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-06 12:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-11 22:01 -0500
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-12 14:43 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605121436001.511@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #163619 |
On Wed, 11 May 2016, JimP wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2016 21:37:51 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 May 2016, JimP wrote: >> >> >>>> Or if you live near a river, that might feed a generator. I seem to >>>> recall articles about that back when home power was a big thing in things >>>> like the Mother Earth News. >>>> >>>> Michael >>> >>> I saw them on a newstand in a small town this year. They are still >>> around and write many of the same type of articles they did years ago. >>> >> The magazine changed hands a number of times, I think for a while it was >> owned by some major magazine chain, but suspect it's now back in the hands >> of an individual. >> >> SOme of the ideology never went away, just less visible, but I gather >> there's sort of a comeback now with the "younger generation". I've seen >> comments locally where they claim to have invented it all, yet I can point >> to it all happening before. >> >> IN the old days, some of the magazine was a bit too much counterculture >> hype, I think early in the run they used up their quota of exclamation >> marks, but other things were interesting, and it was a howto magazine, >> just aligned along other lines. >> >> Michael > > I remember that a number of the articles were about 'living off the > grid', while back in the day it was about 'getting back to the land'. > Yes. Also about "self sufficiency", so lots of articles about "I started my own paperback book store" and things like that. The thrust was "back to the land" but I suspect away from the city people were able to build cheaper, there being fewer restrictions. So all those domes that leaked, you weren't likely to see that in a city. So they could save money by building their homes themselves, but also save money by unusual architecture and reusing scrap from elsewhere. In 1982 I was walking through Vermont, and I was inside a few homes that were designed from the ground up for solar power. It is easier to build such homes from scratch than trying to retrofit existing homes. These were passive solar homes, big tanks of water to collect the heat, I don't remember much in the way of solar cells. We're now seeing a lot of solar panels in odd places. I suppose it initially looks like "hey we're saving electricty" but then I realize it's a way of not needing to be close to electricity. So all those public bike stations we have now, those are powered by solar panels. They aren't permanent installations, they come down in the fall and may not be in the same place the next year, so solar power means they don't have to dig up the ground to access electricity lines. Same with the new parking meters that just went in, more like occasional terminals, you find one and pay there for your space. But they could put the "terminals" where they felt the need, rather than where they could get electricity. Michael
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-05-12 19:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <slrnnj9m6o.192.mausg@Smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #163642 |
On 2016-05-12, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2016, JimP wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 May 2016 21:37:51 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 11 May 2016, JimP wrote: >>> >>> > > We're now seeing a lot of solar panels in odd places. I suppose it > initially looks like "hey we're saving electricty" but then I realize it's > a way of not needing to be close to electricity. So all those public bike > stations we have now, those are powered by solar panels. They aren't > permanent installations, they come down in the fall and may not be in the > same place the next year, so solar power means they don't have to dig up > the ground to access electricity lines. Same with the new parking meters > that just went in, more like occasional terminals, you find one and pay > there for your space. But they could put the "terminals" where they felt > the need, rather than where they could get electricity. > > Michael > I have a couple of `ordinary' solar panels, connected to old car batteries, and several security lights. Being solaar powered, you can put them in unexpected places wires would be hard to install. -- greymaus iD|marrA Raa|fLa Ireland
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-11 21:11 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <2occ0d-ed2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163587 |
In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605111428380.30970@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: >On Wed, 11 May 2016, Andrew Swallow wrote: > >> On 11/05/2016 16:18, JimP wrote: >>> On 11 May 2016 12:18:37 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >>>>>>> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >>>>>>> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >>>>>>> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >>>>>>> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >>>>>>> away from a sat phone. >>>>>> >>>>>> A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>>>>> be no recharging until the power grid is up. >>>>> >>>>> You've never heard of solar panels or portable generators? >>>> >>>> Not everyone can buy them. Solar only works if the sun shines >>>> at a good angle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> A radio powered by >>>>>> batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>>>>> kind of comm. >>>>> >>>>> You seem to be contradicting yourself. >>>> >>>> How? Most of my posts have been talking about generating a >>>> broadcast signal. >>>> >>>> /BAH >>> >>> Well, anyone that can afford them can buy a solar panel. There are >>> portable ones now. A house roof isn't always needed anymore. >>> >>> And true, some locations the angle is too much to charge batteries >>> with. >>> >>> But for many other people solar panels are useful. >>> >> >> If you live in Alaska use a wind turbine. Small ones are made for homes but >> you will have to run everything through a battery unit. >> >Or if you live near a river, that might feed a generator. I seem to >recall articles about that back when home power was a big thing in things >like the Mother Earth News. You don't need much of a stream to generate a few hundred watts more or less continously. There are lots of good 3D printer designs for simple turbines too. -- mrr
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-12 05:00 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dphdr2Fl8dfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163552 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM0005328FBBC12031@aca46c75.ipt.aol.com... > Scott Lurndal wrote: >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>Morten Reistad wrote: >> >>>> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >>>> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >>>> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >>>> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >>>> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >>>> away from a sat phone. >>> >>>A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>>be no recharging until the power grid is up. >> >> You've never heard of solar panels or portable generators? > > Not everyone can buy them. Not everyone needs them. And most can charge them using their car. > Solar only works if the sun shines at a good angle. That's a lie on the good angle. >>> A radio powered by >>>batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>>kind of comm. >> >> You seem to be contradicting yourself. > > How? Most of my posts have been talking about generating a > broadcast signal.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 15:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <ks590d-9li.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163512 |
In article <PM0005327BF966306C@aca4069b.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network >data. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 >deep >>>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>>>operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>>> hundred watts. >>>>>> >>>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>>> operation. >>>>> >>>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >>>> >>>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >>>> >>>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >>>>> knows how to build it and make it work). >>>> >>>> Doesnât have to be nearby anymore. >>>> >>>> We donât do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >>>> >>>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >>>> >>>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>> >>>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >>>> >>>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >>>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>>> >>>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >>> >>>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >>> >>>/BAH >> >> Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, >> powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a >relationship >> with an administration that works). >> >> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >> away from a sat phone. > >A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is >important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they >can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by >batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >kind of comm. You should have 12V chargers for all emergency equipment. Then you can run them in a car it you have to. With a full tank you have ~20 hours or more of idling with the generator working. If you pace it you should be able to draw 5A from a car battery with intermittent charging for almost a week. -- mrr
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 10:56 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <0314jbpr6ce0tlc3484ajgutvqi12hlhjb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #163520 |
On Tue, 10 May 2016 15:56:04 +0200, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >In article <PM0005327BF966306C@aca4069b.ipt.aol.com>, >jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, >>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>Rod Speed wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network >>data. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 >>deep >>>>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>>>>operation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>>>> hundred watts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>>>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>>>> operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >>>>> >>>>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >>>>> >>>>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >>>>>> knows how to build it and make it work). >>>>> >>>>> Doesn’t have to be nearby anymore. >>>>> >>>>> We don’t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >>>>> >>>>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >>>>> >>>>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>>>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>>> >>>>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >>>>> >>>>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >>>>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>>>> >>>>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >>>> >>>>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >>>> >>>>/BAH >>> >>> Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, >>> powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a >>relationship >>> with an administration that works). >>> >>> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >>> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >>> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >>> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >>> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >>> away from a sat phone. >> >>A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >>doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >>storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is >>important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they >>can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by >>batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>kind of comm. > >You should have 12V chargers for all emergency equipment. Then you >can run them in a car it you have to. With a full tank you have ~20 >hours or more of idling with the generator working. If you pace it >you should be able to draw 5A from a car battery with intermittent >charging for almost a week. > >-- mrr For some hurricanes I have been though, the power was out for 2 weeks. But it would indeed work for short term outages. -- JimP.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 18:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <j7e90d-f8j.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163523 |
In article <0314jbpr6ce0tlc3484ajgutvqi12hlhjb@4ax.com>, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote: >On Tue, 10 May 2016 15:56:04 +0200, Morten Reistad ><first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > >>In article <PM0005327BF966306C@aca4069b.ipt.aol.com>, >>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, >>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>Rod Speed wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >>>>> >>>>>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >>>>> >>>>>/BAH >>>> >>>> Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, >>>> powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a >>>relationship >>>> with an administration that works). >>>> >>>> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >>>> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >>>> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >>>> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >>>> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >>>> away from a sat phone. >>> >>>A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>>be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >>>doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >>>storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is >>>important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they >>>can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by >>>batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>>kind of comm. >> >>You should have 12V chargers for all emergency equipment. Then you >>can run them in a car it you have to. With a full tank you have ~20 >>hours or more of idling with the generator working. If you pace it >>you should be able to draw 5A from a car battery with intermittent >>charging for almost a week. >> >>-- mrr > >For some hurricanes I have been though, the power was out for 2 weeks. >But it would indeed work for short term outages. A car used as a source of ~60W of power constantly would last for somewhat more than a week. And you can ration it out, making it last a month with 4 hours of 50W lighting in the evenings, and a constant battery charger load on 5-10W. I bought a 140A 12V charger that runs on gasoline, army surplus. Cheap, too. It charges a car battery from 20% to 80% in less than half an hour. And uses a little more than 2.5 liters per hour. I keep around 20 liters in the garage, and in an emergency I can siphon a similar amount from the car. If I use two batteries worth per day I can last more than two weeks. Knowing that this municipality has a single row of pylons for all electricity supply I do take measures. -- mrr
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 18:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <ngtagl32m09@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #163520 |
On 2016-05-10, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > You should have 12V chargers for all emergency equipment. Then you > can run them in a car it you have to. With a full tank you have ~20 > hours or more of idling with the generator working. If you pace it > you should be able to draw 5A from a car battery with intermittent > charging for almost a week. I have a hand-cranked flashlight that can charge my cell phone. Time to break out the exercise bicycle and cobble a generator onto it... -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 16:00 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605101559280.29432@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #163535 |
On Tue, 10 May 2016, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2016-05-10, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > >> You should have 12V chargers for all emergency equipment. Then you >> can run them in a car it you have to. With a full tank you have ~20 >> hours or more of idling with the generator working. If you pace it >> you should be able to draw 5A from a car battery with intermittent >> charging for almost a week. > > I have a hand-cranked flashlight that can charge my cell phone. > > Time to break out the exercise bicycle and cobble a generator onto it... > Isn't that about what Lee Felsenstein has been working on in recent times? I guess it's for computers, but I seem to recall bicycle generators being part of the mix. Michael
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| From | Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> |
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| Date | 2016-05-11 07:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <slrnnj5n30.8t7.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #163542 |
On Tue, 10 May 2016 16:00:05 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: > On Tue, 10 May 2016, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2016-05-10, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >> >>> You should have 12V chargers for all emergency equipment. Then you >>> can run them in a car it you have to. With a full tank you have ~20 >>> hours or more of idling with the generator working. If you pace it >>> you should be able to draw 5A from a car battery with intermittent >>> charging for almost a week. >> >> I have a hand-cranked flashlight that can charge my cell phone. >> >> Time to break out the exercise bicycle and cobble a generator onto it... >> > Isn't that about what Lee Felsenstein has been working on in recent times? > I guess it's for computers, but I seem to recall bicycle generators being > part of the mix. The military have used bicycle and hand-crank generators since the '30s. Later (1980s) hand crank ones make good battery chargers, but are usually 24V. During WW2 SOE had several generators that could fit on a typical French bicycle. I have a hand-crank one so I can operate on all frequencies from 2Mhz to 79Mhz indefinitely with my ex-army kit. -- Stan Barr plan.b@bluesomatic.org
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 10:53 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <bu04jbdqqdopaue6dj4o3o9f8foa8hmq10@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #163512 |
On 10 May 2016 12:34:24 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network >data. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 >deep >>>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>>>operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>>> hundred watts. >>>>>> >>>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>>> operation. >>>>> >>>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >>>> >>>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >>>> >>>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >>>>> knows how to build it and make it work). >>>> >>>> Doesnâ??t have to be nearby anymore. >>>> >>>> We donâ??t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >>>> >>>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >>>> >>>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>> >>>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >>>> >>>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >>>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>>> >>>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >>> >>>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >>> >>>/BAH >> >> Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, >> powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a >relationship >> with an administration that works). >> >> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >> away from a sat phone. > >A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is >important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they >can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by >batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >kind of comm. > >/BAH Genrator or solar power. There are some small solar arrays now. Not cheap, but they fold up and are easily portable. I know one person who takes one on his hiking trips. -- JimP.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 17:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <sNoYy.35744$H14.24337@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #163522 |
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >On 10 May 2016 12:34:24 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >>A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >>doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >>storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is >>important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they >>can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by >>batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>kind of comm. >> >>/BAH > >Genrator or solar power. There are some small solar arrays now. Not >cheap, but they fold up and are easily portable. I know one person who >takes one on his hiking trips. > Define "not cheap". http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-12-volt-solar-panel-96418.html
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 15:18 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <heg4jbtel9u4t7i3eff78pifgs0nquidj2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #163528 |
On Tue, 10 May 2016 17:22:32 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: >JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >>On 10 May 2016 12:34:24 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> > >>>A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>>be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >>>doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >>>storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is >>>important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they >>>can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by >>>batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>>kind of comm. >>> >>>/BAH >> >>Genrator or solar power. There are some small solar arrays now. Not >>cheap, but they fold up and are easily portable. I know one person who >>takes one on his hiking trips. >> > >Define "not cheap". > >http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-12-volt-solar-panel-96418.html First, I wouldn't buy it from Harbour Freight. The ones another ham showed me were under $500. -- JimP.
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 18:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <ofCdnfLEVOyYha_KnZ2dnUU78d_NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #163512 |
On 10/05/2016 13:34, jmfbahciv wrote: > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network > data. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 > deep >>>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>>> Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>>> where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>>> different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>>> for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>>> operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>>> hundred watts. >>>>>> >>>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>>> operation. >>>>> >>>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >>>> >>>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >>>> >>>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >>>>> knows how to build it and make it work). >>>> >>>> Doesnât have to be nearby anymore. >>>> >>>> We donât do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >>>> >>>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >>>> >>>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>> >>>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >>>> >>>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >>>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>>> >>>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >>> >>> Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >>> >>> /BAH >> >> Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, >> powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a > relationship >> with an administration that works). >> >> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >> away from a sat phone. > > A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will > be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of > doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the > storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is > important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they > can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by > batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other > kind of comm. > > /BAH > Solar panels on the roof will allow most people to light their homes and run TVs & radios when the power grid fails. Possibly even a microwave oven and phone hand set. 1kW may be sufficient for this. Running high power equipment like vacuum cleaners, room heaters, water heaters, lifts, electric ovens and electric kettles would require considerably more power.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-11 05:23 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dpeqpeF4vkrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163512 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM0005327BF966306C@aca4069b.ipt.aol.com... > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network > data. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted >>>>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 > deep >>>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open >>>>>>>>> 38" >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend >>>>>>>on >>>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level >>>>>>>of >>>>>>>operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>>> hundred watts. >>>>>> >>>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent >>>>>> setup, >>>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>>> operation. >>>>> >>>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >>>> >>>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >>>> >>>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >>>>> knows how to build it and make it work). >>>> >>>> Doesn’t have to be nearby anymore. >>>> >>>> We don’t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >>>> >>>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >>>> >>>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 >>>>>> per >>>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>> >>>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY >>>>>> good. >>>> >>>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >>>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>>> >>>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >>> >>>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >>> >>>/BAH >> >> Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, >> powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a > relationship >> with an administration that works). >> >> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >> away from a sat phone. > > A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. So you charge the batterys with whatever you like, like the car or a generator. > There will be no recharging until the power grid is up. Wrong. Our mining exploration uses them all the time, there is no mains power where they operate. Plenty of vehicles that charge the batterys fine. > The whole point of doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate > information about the storm and its after effects. And so it makes sense to use all of TV, AM and FM radio for that because almost everyone has receivers for them and very large numbers of those are in cars etc which work fine for listening to the radio even if the mains power is out. > Keepiing people off the streets is important. But that isnt possible by using SW, > People tend to get cabin fever when they think they > can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by > batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other > kind of comm. But is useless for 2 way communications. Sat phones in the hands of the people that matter like cops, the military and fire etc etc etc leaves SW for dead for that. That's why the military uses it.
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 19:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <slrnnj4bb0.19f.mausg@Smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #163512 |
On 2016-05-10, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > > A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will > be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of > doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the > storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is > important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they > can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by > batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other > kind of comm. > > /BAH A story, dunno if its true. Meeting of whatever group of people the US has install in Kabul, some proposal, one of the people suggest asking the opposition what they would think of it, so they adjourn to the garden, call the opposition spokesman by sat phone, and discuss. An international business man had a stud farm locally, and would visit, go down the field to look at the mares, business man, studfarm manager, sat-phone wallah. -- greymaus iD|marrA Raa|fLa Ireland
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-13 06:13 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <MPG.319f72effa2c72ff98a193@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #163512 |
In article <PM0005327BF966306C@aca4069b.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com says... > > Morten Reistad wrote: > > In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, > > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >>Rod Speed wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > >>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... > >>>> Morten Reistad wrote: > >>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, > >>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: > >>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: > >>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, > >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... > >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT > >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT > >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house > >>>>>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network > data. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in > >>>>>>>>>>> doing > >>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have > >>>>>>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, > >>>> wireless > >>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and > >>>>>>>>>>> participants. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely > >>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication > >>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 > deep > >>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped > >>>>>>>> protocols. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably > >>>>>>> unconsitutional > >>>>>>>> in all of them. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are > >>>>>>>> actively trying. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure > >>>>>>> of transmission? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. > >>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on > >>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as > >>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions > >>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of > >>>>>>operation. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering > >>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and > >>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly > >>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few > >>>>> hundred watts. > >>>>> > >>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, > >>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of > >>>>> operation. > >>>> > >>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one > >>> > >>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. > >>> > >>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby > >>>> knows how to build it and make it work). > >>> > >>> Doesnâ??t have to be nearby anymore. > >>> > >>> We donâ??t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. > >>> > >>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already > >>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and > >>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. > >>> > >>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists > >>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR > >>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity > >>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per > >>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. > >>> > >>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. > >>> > >>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source > >>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. > >>> > >>> Whereas sat phones work fine. > >> > >>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. > >> > >>/BAH > > > > Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, > > powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a > relationship > > with an administration that works). > > > > But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are > > anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, > > around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster > > than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. > > Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far > > away from a sat phone. > > A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. The same is true for any other radio system. > There will > be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of > doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the > storm and its after effects. To who, people whose radio batteries have died and can't be recharged until the power grid is back up? > Keepiing people off the streets is > important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they > can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by > batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other > kind of comm. > > /BAH
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-13 12:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM000532B8A5C30B1D@aca44684.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163654 |
J. Clarke wrote: > In article <PM0005327BF966306C@aca4069b.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > says... >> >> Morten Reistad wrote: >> > In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, >> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >>Rod Speed wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> >>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >> >>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >> >>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >> >>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >> >>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >> >>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >> >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >> >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >> >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> house >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network >> data. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >> >>>>>>>>>>> doing >> >>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >> >>>>>>>>>>> an >> >>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >> >>>> wireless >> >>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >> >>>>>>>>>>> participants. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >> >>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >> >>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 >> deep >> >>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >> >>>>>>>> protocols. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >> >>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >> >>>>>>> unconsitutional >> >>>>>>>> in all of them. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >> >>>>>>>> actively trying. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >> >>>>>>> of transmission? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >> >>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >> >>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >> >>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >> >>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >> >>>>>>operation. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >> >>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >> >>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >> >>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >> >>>>> hundred watts. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >> >>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >> >>>>> operation. >> >>>> >> >>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >> >>> >> >>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >> >>> >> >>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >> >>>> knows how to build it and make it work). >> >>> >> >>> Doesnâ??t have to be nearby anymore. >> >>> >> >>> We donâ??t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >> >>> >> >>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >> >>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >> >>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >> >>> >> >>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >> >>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >> >>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >> >>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >> >>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >> >>> >> >>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >> >>> >> >>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >> >>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >> >>> >> >>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >> >> >> >>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >> >> >> >>/BAH >> > >> > Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, >> > powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a >> relationship >> > with an administration that works). >> > >> > But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >> > anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >> > around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >> > than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >> > Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >> > away from a sat phone. >> >> A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. > > The same is true for any other radio system. > >> There will >> be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >> doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >> storm and its after effects. > > To who, people whose radio batteries have died and can't be recharged > until the power grid is back up? Part of preparing for a storm is to have spare batteries. /BAH
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-13 12:43 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605131235330.2454@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #163658 |
On Fri, 13 May 2016, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> There will >>> be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >>> doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >>> storm and its after effects. >> >> To who, people whose radio batteries have died and can't be recharged >> until the power grid is back up? > > Part of preparing for a storm is to have spare batteries. > I do see your point. It is better to have one big transmitter and a lot of low power receivers, than everyone being able to transmit too. A centralized newscast means most people will get the news directly, instead of a garbled version passed along, which might end up like a game of "broken telephone". If you want to control information, you have to be sure to release that information, and be a reliable source of information. Then the stuff that gets passed on is more likely to be closer to the truth. And as you said in a previous message, when an emergency comes along, the radio stations can be really helpful. When we had the Big Ice Storm here in 1998, a lot of people without power for varying amounts of time, one commercial station and the CBC station went to cover it all the time, with lots of chance for people to call in. So instead of people sitting at home alone, they were able to hear from others in the same situation. it was actually a rather cozy thing, lying in the dark, covered up in all the quilts I had, I couldn't power a tv set but I could listen endlessly to the radio. ANy time there was important news, the station could provide it, but probably the listeners kept listening because of the "talk format", so they'd be around to hear any important news. Most of the time power outages are local. Announcing it means local officials aren't swamped with calls, and it also ensures that people aren't at home thinking "it must be just me". A few years ago there were some local but long (much of the day) power outages, in one case a gas leak and they had to turn off the power. You initially think "it will come back soon" and you keep waiting, and then it's too late to make plans to get out and do something or find some hot food. Radio is really important at such times. Michael
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM000532E1CDFD705B@aca424e3.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163668 |
Michael Black wrote: > On Fri, 13 May 2016, jmfbahciv wrote: > > >>>> There will >>>> be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of >>>> doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the >>>> storm and its after effects. >>> >>> To who, people whose radio batteries have died and can't be recharged >>> until the power grid is back up? >> >> Part of preparing for a storm is to have spare batteries. >> > I do see your point. It is better to have one big transmitter and a lot > of low power receivers, than everyone being able to transmit too. > > A centralized newscast means most people will get the news directly, > instead of a garbled version passed along, which might end up like a game > of "broken telephone". If you want to control information, you have to be > sure to release that information, and be a reliable source of information. > Then the stuff that gets passed on is more likely to be closer to the > truth. > > And as you said in a previous message, when an emergency comes along, the > radio stations can be really helpful. When we had the Big Ice Storm here > in 1998, a lot of people without power for varying amounts of time, one > commercial station and the CBC station went to cover it all the time, with > lots of chance for people to call in. So instead of people sitting at > home alone, they were able to hear from others in the same situation. > it was actually a rather cozy thing, lying in the dark, covered up in all > the quilts I had, I couldn't power a tv set but I could listen endlessly > to the radio. And that prevented any kind of cabin fever. > > ANy time there was important news, the station could provide it, but > probably the listeners kept listening because of the "talk format", so > they'd be around to hear any important news. > > Most of the time power outages are local. Announcing it means local > officials aren't swamped with calls, and it also ensures that people > aren't at home thinking "it must be just me". A few years ago there were > some local but long (much of the day) power outages, in one case a gas > leak and they had to turn off the power. You initially think "it will > come back soon" and you keep waiting, and then it's too late to make plans > to get out and do something or find some hot food. Radio is really > important at such times. Exactly. Allowing the callers to do most of the talking is essential. The station here has 2 hours of it each weekday morning. I don't know how long it will last because the host has to be able to know how to chair a meeting without dominating the disucssions. That self-confidence seems to be rare in radio show hosts. /BAH
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