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Re: Ping: Paul

From	David <David@example.net>
Newsgroups	alt.os.linux.mint
Subject	Re: Ping: Paul
Date	2025-01-10 12:09 +0000
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On 09/01/2025 23:25, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 1/9/2025 5:25 PM, David wrote:
>> On 09/01/2025 21:18, Paul wrote:
[....]
>>> HTH,
>>
>>
>> It does!
>>
>> Very many thanks, Paul. :-D
>>
>> What I had already done has enabled me to proceed further, as you can witness here:-
>>
>> https://i.ibb.co/wMWj0Pw/IMG-3071.jpg
>>
>> Sadly, however, whilst writing this message to you, the laptop screen went blank and required a reboot. :-(
>>
>> I'm aware that loading Windows 10 does involve rebooting a number of times on a 'working' machine. I've no idea about on this Hiren's mock-up!
>>
>> Any further experimenting must now wait until tomorrow!!!
>>
>> -- 
>> David
>>
>> FYI, I've also been seeking help/info from ChatCPD. Something for you to review here:-
>>
> 
> Yes, it's perfectly normal for "reboots" during the Windows install sequence.
> 
> On the first reboot, you remove your Hirens material as it is not
> relied on for the next steps that Windows takes.
> 
> Normally, windows edits the ESP boot materials enough, so the boot process
> boots into the windows install that is in-motion and picks up where it left off.
> The first phase of Windows installation, is a simple copying of materials
> into the target partition. The reboot starts the install in earnest and
> since every bit of material needed is now inside C: , the install media is
> not needed at that point. The install media is ignored after the reboot.
> 
> No mounted volumes from the install media are needed, after the second
> boot commences. If a person was using a DVD for example, you could pop
> the DVD out any time after the OS starts to reboot, and even if the OS
> has come back already and is beavering away, you can still pull out your
> installer/boot media.
> 
> Now, occasionally on the reboot, the "wrong thing" boots on the computer.
> This can happen if a lot of stray disks are on the computer. The installer
> may edit the wrong "Windows Boot Manager" with the amended boot info.
> You could have multiple drives with multiple "Windows Boot Manager'.
> This can confuse the UEFI BIOS.
> 
> This is OK, as long as you use your popup boot key and make the machine reboot
> into the correct entry in the popup boot.
> 
> For example:
> 
> Install into A. First reboot happens.
> 
> Machine boots into B by accident. This *includes*
> booting into the Hirens or the install media a second
> time. The install media knows this has happened and a
> dialog will appear.
> 
> User does a reboot from the B environment that booted by
> accident, pressed the popup boot key and selects "A" from the menu.
> In other words, whatever partition you are installing to, select
> that "A" kind of item from the boot menu, and the install carries on.
> As long as you "point" the reboot process to the correct
> "Windows Boot Manager", the install picks up.
> 
> The install process can even continue after you've turned off the
> power and gone to bed. Next day, power up, select the "A" item in
> the popup boot. It'll do a quick CHKDSK and repair and then the
> graphics will come up with the spinning installer thingy and
> the install will continue on "A".
> 
> It generally knows what phase it is in. Each time you point to "A"
> it can do another "portion" of the installation process.
> 
>> [ChatGPT recipe...]
>> You're correct — if you're already booted into Hiren's
> 
> Yes, that looks like a recipe. I can't spot any obvious errors,
> but the machine in that case has not "added any value" to the process.
> A lot of the text is copied and summarized, and it may miss some of
> the subtle things to consider. Such as the need to remove
> excess disk drives unrelated to what you're installing to.
> Removing excess drives, prevents booting into the wrong thing,
> which is not harmful to the process, but for the inexperienced
> will scare them.
> 
> The ChatGPT recipe works in an ideal case, but the ChatGPT hasn't
> actually done installs and watched what happens, so it has no
> real first hand knowledge. Only if the training data has enough
> movies or transcripts, could it have enough training to know
> absolutely everything.
> 
> The AI machines are devious pieces of work. They never admit to
> limitations in training data. The machines have no ability to
> "imagine what they look like from the outside" and "what
> training they are missing". I've had some absolutely outrageous
> answers, where the question I asked is twisted all out of shape,
> and it's because of a limitation in capabilities the thing has.
> Does it know there is a problem ? Yes, when the answer takes
> too long to come back, it "changes strategies" and it knows it
> is now "executing the B Plan" and the answer is most likely
> going to be irrelevant. But it remains pleasant and cheerful,
> even when doing a substandard job.
> 
>     Paul


Your help, as always, Paul, is invaluable! THANK YOU! 🙂

You will be pleased to learn that I now have Microsoft Windows 10
up-and-running on the old Dell laptop. It's doing things FAR more
quickly than when it was first handed to me and I tried to make Windows
run better - but couldn't! That was the main reason for installing Linux
in the first place!

I have used Dell "Support Assist" with the following findings:-
https://i.ibb.co/gjwkfGW/IMG-3072.jpg

I downloaded and installed all of them, including the BIOS change!
I'm now carrying out Windows Update and installing all the items found.

This has been an interesting exercise, taking me back to my days with 
using Windows 95 and before! In comparison, my Apple iMac works like a 
dream! 🙂

Warm regards,

David

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