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Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?

From	Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?
Date	2015-10-09 09:06 +1300
Organization	Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID	<091020150906060868%YourName@YourISP.com> (permalink)
References	(10 earlier) <081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com> <D23B15BE.5F71F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <081020151816395444%YourName@YourISP.com> <d7mfa2F31ejU1@mid.individual.net> <D23BDF97.5F7C5%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>

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In article <D23BDF97.5F7C5%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
<usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/7/15, 11:03 PM, in article d7mfa2F31ejU1@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> In article <D23B15BE.5F71F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> >> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>> On 10/7/15, 6:12 PM, in article 081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com,
> >>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound ridiculous to me.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Actually sounds pretty cool... though I would want it reversed from
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> description. Less likely to accidently repeat that way.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Force Touch" is a ridiculous invention ... not only is it
> >>>>>> counter-intuitive (why would you push something harder and expect a
> >>>>>> different result??) it now encourages kids and numbnuts to break things
> >>>>>> by going around pushing things harder to try and get them to do
> >>>>>> something different.   :-\
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> How much experience do you have with the new "3D Touch" devices?
> >>>> 
> >>>> How is pushing something harder not counter-intuitive?? Do you push the
> >>>> light switch harder to make the lights go brighter or even change
> >>>> colour?? Does chewing a piece of cheese harder suddenly turn it into a
> >>>> doughnut??
> >>> 
> >>> Do you open a file to get to a window?
> >>> Do you move a mouse and to point to a file?
> >>> Do you touch a sheet of paper once to select it and twice to open it?
> >>> Do you press space to get a quick look at something?
> >>> 
> >>> If you take these things too literally they make NO sense at all. You have
> >>> to accept that the main goal is to use the technology to make an
> >>> experience
> >>> as "clean" and easy to use as you can.
> >>> 
> >>> Pressing a bit harder is sort of like Quick Look or a contextual menu...
> >>> whichever makes more sense. Pressing harder again is like double clicking.
> >>> It makes a lot of sense to me though I admit I have no personal experience
> >>> with it. 
> >> 
> >> But it's not intuitive. No novice user is ever going to try pressing
> >> the screen or trackpad harder.
> > 
> > Bull. They have only have to see it once to get it. It's not a complex
> > concept at all. 
> 
> I worked in computer labs when mice first started becoming popular. Macs had
> them and our UNIX stations had them - even light-based ones, which confused
> people so I put up a sign saying "UNIX mice have no balls". My boss had me
> that that down for some reason. :)
> 
> But I digress. When users who were used to just a keyboard first were
> confronted with a mouse it was not "intuitive". Why would I move this thing 
> on the desk, which you oddly call a mouse, to make an arrow on a screen move?

It is intuitive. People, even little kids, work that out within seconds
without needing a manual or explanation, although some may take longer
to get efficient at it.



>  And why would I click its left button to do one thing and its right
> button to do another? 

Which is exactly why the Mac only had (and only needed) one button mice
for years ... they still only need one button.



> 
> None of that is "intuitive" until you get used to a computer.
> 
> I suspect 3D Touch / Force Touch is much the same.

Pushing something harder to make it do something different is *not* in
any remote sense intuitive. It's highly counter-intuitive (as are most
of the silly multi-finger gestures) - you don't push light switches
harder, pushing hard on glass is dangerous, etc. That's why people
don't know about them and have to be told. Intuitive means you don't
have to be told, you work it out naturally.

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