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Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?
Date	2015-10-08 08:53 -0700
Message-ID	<D23BDF97.5F7C5%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References	(9 earlier) <D23B0AD7.5F704%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com> <D23B15BE.5F71F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <081020151816395444%YourName@YourISP.com> <d7mfa2F31ejU1@mid.individual.net>

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On 10/7/15, 11:03 PM, in article d7mfa2F31ejU1@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> In article <D23B15BE.5F71F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/7/15, 6:12 PM, in article 081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com,
>>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound ridiculous to me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Actually sounds pretty cool... though I would want it reversed from the
>>>>>>> description. Less likely to accidently repeat that way.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Force Touch" is a ridiculous invention ... not only is it
>>>>>> counter-intuitive (why would you push something harder and expect a
>>>>>> different result??) it now encourages kids and numbnuts to break things
>>>>>> by going around pushing things harder to try and get them to do
>>>>>> something different.   :-\
>>>>> 
>>>>> How much experience do you have with the new "3D Touch" devices?
>>>> 
>>>> How is pushing something harder not counter-intuitive?? Do you push the
>>>> light switch harder to make the lights go brighter or even change
>>>> colour?? Does chewing a piece of cheese harder suddenly turn it into a
>>>> doughnut??
>>> 
>>> Do you open a file to get to a window?
>>> Do you move a mouse and to point to a file?
>>> Do you touch a sheet of paper once to select it and twice to open it?
>>> Do you press space to get a quick look at something?
>>> 
>>> If you take these things too literally they make NO sense at all. You have
>>> to accept that the main goal is to use the technology to make an experience
>>> as "clean" and easy to use as you can.
>>> 
>>> Pressing a bit harder is sort of like Quick Look or a contextual menu...
>>> whichever makes more sense. Pressing harder again is like double clicking.
>>> It makes a lot of sense to me though I admit I have no personal experience
>>> with it. 
>> 
>> But it's not intuitive. No novice user is ever going to try pressing
>> the screen or trackpad harder.
> 
> Bull. They have only have to see it once to get it. It's not a complex
> concept at all. 

I worked in computer labs when mice first started becoming popular. Macs had
them and our UNIX stations had them - even light-based ones, which confused
people so I put up a sign saying "UNIX mice have no balls". My boss had me
that that down for some reason. :)

But I digress. When users who were used to just a keyboard first were
confronted with a mouse it was not "intuitive". Why would I move this thing
on the desk, which you oddly call a mouse, to make an arrow on a screen
move? And why would I click its left button to do one thing and its right
button to do another? How do I know which is which? Heck, even a few years
ago I was teaching intro classes, largely to seniors, and once I introduced
"right click" from then on if I said "click such-and-such" people would ask
"left click or right"? I quickly learned to note that "click" means "left
click". Even that got confusing for the left handed students who had mice
buttons swapped to work better for them - so it became "left click" is your
primary click and "right click" is your secondary click... which might be
your left if you are left handed. Sorry, folks, I know that is odd but you
have to get used to hearing "right click" to mean that.

None of that is "intuitive" until you get used to a computer.

I suspect 3D Touch / Force Touch is much the same.

>> Just like the ridiculous mutli-finger gestures,
> 
> We get it - anything new is "ridiculous" to you.

I have seen videos of cats and frogs figuring out the basics of a touch
screen. I suspect most humans can do a bit more. :)

Still, I can see where you need to be careful with what one finger vs. two
vs. three mean. I have an ancient iPod Touch and mostly just use one finger,
except for pinch and zoom.

>> you have to be taught about them and remember them, which
>> completely defeats the entire purpose of Apple's original user
>> guidelines (which of course these days they've completely changed
>> anyway).
> 
> Big deal. You see someone pinch to zoom once and you know how to do it.
> Nothing complicated about it and it's far easier than remembering menu
> commands etc.

Pinch and zoom are about as easy as you can get... but it does matter if
there is a delay.

>> The added stupidity of "Force Touch" is that it functions differently
>> in different places / applications ... and sometimes not at all (which
>> could lead to many broken sensors).
> 
> How many sensors have been broken?

I am sure he has a list.

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