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Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?
Date	2015-10-07 16:23 -0700
Message-ID	<D23AF78D.5F6B0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References	(6 earlier) <d7laq9FogllU10@mid.individual.net> <D23AC67F.5F5DA%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <d7lc1kFpka6U1@mid.individual.net> <barmar-F23F25.16183807102015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> <d7ldj2Fq0orU1@mid.individual.net>

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On 10/7/15, 1:28 PM, in article d7ldj2Fq0orU1@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-10-07, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> In article <d7lc1kFpka6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/7/15, 12:40 PM, in article d7laq9FogllU10@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
>>>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> To be fair, the repeat speed setting does make sense with special
>>>>> characters enabled - it controls how long you have to press the key to
>>>>> see the special characters menu.
>>>> 
>>>> Right... but then it is labeled incorrectly and the repeat rate makes no
>>>> sense.
>>> 
>>> That's why the setting is a hidden preference. Seems like we are talking
>>> in circles. It's an advanced preference that Apple decided not to expose
>>> to GUI users.
>> 
>> He's talking about the labeling in the non-hidden Keyboard Preferences.
>> The language there still assumes that auto-repeat exists.
> 
> I realize that, and again, that's why this is a hidden preference. If
> Apple chose to expose it to users, they'd make corresponding changes to
> the preferences panel. Hidden settings are there for power users who
> know what they are doing and aren't intended for the majority who only
> use the GUI. 

I realize that - just wish they had more "advanced" settings and not have
people use the CLI except in very rare cases (though, frankly, I have never
had a desire or need to change this setting).

Then again, for those who do not want to go to the command line but still
want to have such settings available in an "advanced" place, there are
program such as TinkerTool. I have it and just checked - it has the setting
there.

<http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerTool/screenshots.html>

Top item in the "General Settings". I thought I had seen it somewhere. Now
one less reason to assume I am going insane. :)

They say there you have to log out and back in to have the settings take
effect, but I just tested and quitting / relaunching the apps works. The
need to do that, though, is likely why Apple has the feature hidden. That is
not a huge issue but not idea.

>> But since some applications still implement auto-repeat rather than
>> showing special characters, the preference is still appropriate for them.
> 
> Hopefully the idea is to confuse novice users as little as possible.

Agreed. Esp. with the need to quit and re-launch programs I can see plenty
of room for confusion.

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