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Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?
Date	2015-10-08 17:18 -0700
Message-ID	<D23C55CE.5F95A%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
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On 10/8/15, 1:06 PM, in article 091020150906060868%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

...
>>>> But it's not intuitive. No novice user is ever going to try pressing
>>>> the screen or trackpad harder.
>>> 
>>> Bull. They have only have to see it once to get it. It's not a complex
>>> concept at all.
>> 
>> I worked in computer labs when mice first started becoming popular. Macs had
>> them and our UNIX stations had them - even light-based ones, which confused
>> people so I put up a sign saying "UNIX mice have no balls". My boss had me
>> that that down for some reason. :)
>> 
>> But I digress. When users who were used to just a keyboard first were
>> confronted with a mouse it was not "intuitive". Why would I move this thing
>> on the desk, which you oddly call a mouse, to make an arrow on a screen move?
> 
> It is intuitive. People, even little kids, work that out within seconds
> without needing a manual or explanation, although some may take longer
> to get efficient at it.

The idea of the mouse moving the mouse pointer is fairly intuitive... people
figure that out. But when to click vs. double-click vs. right-click. I have
seen people be quite confused by that.

>> And why would I click its left button to do one thing and its right
>> button to do another?
> 
> Which is exactly why the Mac only had (and only needed) one button mice
> for years ... they still only need one button.

Sure. But contextual menus are good.... and the middle button ALSO works to
do still more. Then you have option clicking. Lots of different things which
are not intuitive.

>> None of that is "intuitive" until you get used to a computer.
>> 
>> I suspect 3D Touch / Force Touch is much the same.
> 
> Pushing something harder to make it do something different is *not* in
> any remote sense intuitive.

When I draw with pencil or charcoal if I push harder I get a different
result. If I am playing the piano, different pressure causes different
results. If I am driving different pressure effects both the gas and brake
pedals. 

And as I said above, the idea on a computer UI is not to make it just like
something else. In the physical world I have never opened a folder to get to
a window, nor used a menu of any sort to rename a file. I have never grabbed
a mouse to move other than the mouse.

> It's highly counter-intuitive (as are most of the silly multi-finger gestures)
> - you don't push light switches harder, pushing hard on glass is dangerous,
> etc. 

What dangers do you think people will experience from getting to a
contextual menu or getting a quick look at content?

> That's why people don't know about them and have to be told. Intuitive
> means you don't have to be told, you work it out naturally.

You did not learn to type naturally. Should computers not have keyboards?

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