Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters? Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 16:23:41 -0700 Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <9d2dnRPZhcVVxIjLnZ2dnUU7-budnZ2d@earthlink.com> <561565ba$0$49161$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net fYtJ0ZA6BIYd0mRxk/w7LAgUZg81mkQ6vihuOC13tRSjsE/DV8 Cancel-Lock: sha1:qKppiQaGb1VOOlONB4BQ4RuS0vs= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Thread-Topic: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters? Thread-Index: AdEBVzOa9ySKqSZEikWE85vydqjjVQ== Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.apps:32472 comp.sys.mac.system:82422 On 10/7/15, 1:28 PM, in article d7ldj2Fq0orU1@mid.individual.net, "Jolly Roger" wrote: > On 2015-10-07, Barry Margolin wrote: >> In article , >> Jolly Roger wrote: >> >>> On 2015-10-07, Snit wrote: >>>> On 10/7/15, 12:40 PM, in article d7laq9FogllU10@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >>>> Roger" wrote: >>>>> To be fair, the repeat speed setting does make sense with special >>>>> characters enabled - it controls how long you have to press the key to >>>>> see the special characters menu. >>>> >>>> Right... but then it is labeled incorrectly and the repeat rate makes no >>>> sense. >>> >>> That's why the setting is a hidden preference. Seems like we are talking >>> in circles. It's an advanced preference that Apple decided not to expose >>> to GUI users. >> >> He's talking about the labeling in the non-hidden Keyboard Preferences. >> The language there still assumes that auto-repeat exists. > > I realize that, and again, that's why this is a hidden preference. If > Apple chose to expose it to users, they'd make corresponding changes to > the preferences panel. Hidden settings are there for power users who > know what they are doing and aren't intended for the majority who only > use the GUI. I realize that - just wish they had more "advanced" settings and not have people use the CLI except in very rare cases (though, frankly, I have never had a desire or need to change this setting). Then again, for those who do not want to go to the command line but still want to have such settings available in an "advanced" place, there are program such as TinkerTool. I have it and just checked - it has the setting there. Top item in the "General Settings". I thought I had seen it somewhere. Now one less reason to assume I am going insane. :) They say there you have to log out and back in to have the settings take effect, but I just tested and quitting / relaunching the apps works. The need to do that, though, is likely why Apple has the feature hidden. That is not a huge issue but not idea. >> But since some applications still implement auto-repeat rather than >> showing special characters, the preference is still appropriate for them. > > Hopefully the idea is to confuse novice users as little as possible. Agreed. Esp. with the need to quit and re-launch programs I can see plenty of room for confusion. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: * Mint KDE working with folders: * Mint KDE creating files: * Mint KDE help: * Mint KDE general navigation: * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: * OS / Word Processor Comparison: