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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english |
| Subject | Re: GNU |
| Date | 2026-03-18 12:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <h9eq8mxcen.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | (24 earlier) <10pa65m$2f963$1@dont-email.me> <10pa8vb$2fkq9$7@dont-email.me> <10pcuva$3ekal$1@dont-email.me> <10pd070$3ei4j$3@dont-email.me> <1rs59mz.nw27v8yy97eoN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> |
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On 2026-03-18 03:06, Sn!pe wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 12:25:58 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote: >> >>> On 17/03/26 11:58, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> It seems to me the whole electrical power supply system is >>>> inherently unstable. All you can do is build in more redundancy to >>>> broaden the peak at the top of the curve where the system is >>>> supposed to sit, to form a little valley up there to make it more >>>> resistant to shocks. But there will always be a limit to how much >>>> abuse it can take, and if you get pushed beyond that, then down the >>>> mountainside it falls. >>> >>> I assume that the "curve" you mean is the graph of power versus >>> torque angle. >> >> No. Think of the landscape as a multidimensional space involving the >> total operational state of the various components of the electricity >> generation and distribution system, and the height as the desirability >> of that state. Gravity represents how the system tends to move to a >> new state from any given position. >> >> The highest point is where everything is functioning as it should. >> Move too far from that, and you find yourself on a slope where it >> becomes very hard to move back up rather than down. >> > Is the concept of inertia due to rotating machinery relevant to this? > I read somewhere that the increasing proportion of non-rotating > generating equipment (e.g. solar) was a factor in the Spanish collapse. > Yes, but the direct cause was that some of the plants with inertia that were being paid to regulate, did not, either by failure or by neglect. Inverters are normally designed so that they follow the grid frequency. But they can be designed to enforce a frequency and phase, ie, to provide inertia (actually more inertia than iron). This is being done now, I posted an article about this two days ago. Message-ID: <fm6m8mxm7p.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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