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Re: GNU

From Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
Subject Re: GNU
Date 2026-03-18 12:13 +1100
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <10pcu8n$3edfg$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On 18/03/26 06:37, John Ames wrote:

> Every working-class pro-authoritarian seems *immensely* convinced
> that toppling democracy will end up with them, personally, at the
> top of the heap. They never seem to consider the possibility that
> they're actually one of the Useful Idiots, to be put to work under
> the lash or disposed of at the first convenient opportunity.

"Working-class pro-authoritarian" seems to be a peculiarly American
development. In most countries authoritarians are found mostly among the
wealthy right-wingers. The working class votes mostly left-wing,
preferring a socialist rather than a wealth-dominated society. In those
countries someone like Trump or Biden would not get the working-class vote.

It has always seemed to me that the US working class votes against its
own interests.

The world might be changing, though, because of the rise is support for
the racist anti-immigration parties in a number of Western democracies.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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                Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-17 11:23 +1100
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                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 00:18 +0000
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-18 10:16 +0000
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-20 10:36 +0000
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
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                Re: GNU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 09:26 -0700
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:10 +0000
              Re: GNU Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 23:11 +0000
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                Re: GNU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-17 10:33 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 02:49 +0100
                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-17 02:59 +0000
                Re: GNU Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-03-17 23:08 +1300
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-17 13:24 +0100
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 15:33 +0100
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 08:58 +0000
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                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-17 13:24 +0100
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 18:56 +0000
                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-17 22:59 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 03:07 +0100
                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 04:01 +0000
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              Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 01:20 +0000
                Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-16 22:08 -0700
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:02 +0000
              Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 08:47 +0000
            Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 08:47 +0000
              Re: GNU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-17 10:41 +0000
              Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-18 11:04 +1100
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 14:03 +0100
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-18 13:14 +0000
          Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-17 10:21 +1100
            Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:55 +0000
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            Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:10 +0000
            Re: GNU Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-03-17 11:43 -0400
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                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 03:15 +0100
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-18 18:31 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 23:26 +0000
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 12:17 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-19 13:31 +0100
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 14:24 +0100
                Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 06:15 +0000
                Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-18 10:16 -0600
                Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-18 09:40 -0700
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-18 16:56 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 20:00 +0100
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 23:49 +0000
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 11:48 +0100
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-19 13:34 +0100
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 14:24 +0100
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 14:06 +0000
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 22:32 +0100
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-20 07:38 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-20 11:07 +0100
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-19 22:22 +0100
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-21 20:34 +0100
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 22:32 +0100
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 17:50 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 19:58 +0000
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 12:19 +0000
                Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 17:36 -0700
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-19 03:01 +0100
                Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-18 19:16 -0700
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                Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 18:02 +0000
                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 00:24 +0000
                Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-18 22:48 -0600
                Re: GNU Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-03-18 22:45 +0100
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 10:01 +0100
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 11:42 +0100
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                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-21 20:38 +0100
                Re: GNU Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-21 20:22 +0000
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 22:32 +0100
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-22 03:19 +0100
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 10:52 +0100
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-22 15:12 +0100
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 18:37 +0100
                Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 16:31 -0400
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 23:31 +0100
                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-22 23:18 +0000
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-23 11:57 +0100
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-23 11:34 +0100
                Re: GNU Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 10:01 +0000
                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 21:33 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-22 03:18 +0100
              Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-18 11:35 +1100
              Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-18 11:55 +1100
        Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-16 10:29 -0700
      Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-16 18:26 +0000
        Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 20:22 +0000
      Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:38 +0000
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          Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 01:09 +0000
            Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-16 22:13 -0700
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                Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-18 12:13 +1100
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-18 09:54 +0000
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-18 11:18 +0000
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                Re: GNU Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-03-18 23:46 +0100
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                Re: GNU Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-03-18 23:51 +0100
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 12:11 +0000
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 18:38 +0000
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 19:44 +0000
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-20 07:55 +0000
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                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 14:24 +0100
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                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-18 18:30 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 19:52 +0100
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 23:56 +0000
                Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-19 11:57 +1100
                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 05:52 +0000
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 11:48 +0100
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 20:02 +0000
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 20:46 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-20 19:33 +0000
                Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-20 12:40 -0700
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
                Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-20 22:16 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-21 00:16 +0000
                Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-21 00:31 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-21 05:13 +0000
                Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-20 18:09 -0700
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-21 05:25 +0000
                Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-21 09:12 +0000
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-21 10:06 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-21 20:39 +0000
                Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-21 20:40 -0700
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-21 12:44 +0000
                Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
                Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-21 13:48 +0000
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-21 14:54 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-21 20:14 +0000
                Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 21:29 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-22 05:10 +0000
                Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-20 18:00 -0700
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-21 05:07 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-21 05:10 +0000
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-21 10:08 +0000
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-21 21:08 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-21 22:44 +0100
                Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-22 05:18 +0000
                Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 10:11 +0000
                Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-22 15:19 +0100
                Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-22 15:34 -0700
                Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-23 10:01 +1100
                Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-23 10:04 +1100
                Re: GNU richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-03-23 01:36 +0000
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