Re: GNU

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
Subject	Re: GNU
Date	2026-03-16 21:44 +0100
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On 2026-03-16 19:22, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-03-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 16/03/2026 13:37, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-03-16 13:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 15/03/2026 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> Gosh. It is amazing to us in Spain that there are people out there
>>>>> not using the International System of Measures (or Units).
>>>>
>>>> America is big enough and isolated enough to cope with different
>>>> standards.
>>>
>>> Mars Climate Orbiter.
>>>
>> Well spain managed to crash their entire electricity grid despite
>> using metric units.
> 
> And that's got nothing to do with different units AFAIK, although do I
> applaud you refraining from the far-right bullshit this time...
> 
> Although I'd like to remark the inaccuracy of "*their* entire
> electricity grid". The lack of engagement of fossil fuel plants which
> would have prevented the blackout ultimately also crashed REN, not just
> REE.
> 

We learn from mistakes.

<https://elperiodicodelaenergia.com/las-renovables-comienzan-a-controlar-la-tension-de-la-red-electrica-espanola-casi-un-ano-despues-del-apagon>

*Renewables begin to regulate voltage on the Spanish electricity grid 
almost a year after the blackout*

More than 100 generation units have now met the technical requirements 
for dynamic voltage control, and more than 50 facilities are effectively 
providing this service

Sandra Acosta  13 March 2026

Almost a year after the blackout that put the Spanish electricity system 
on high alert and highlighted the need to strengthen the grid’s 
stability mechanisms, renewable energy sources are beginning to play a 
direct role in controlling the system’s voltage. The process began in 
July 2025 with the approval of the new Operating Procedure 7.4 (O.P. 
7.4), a regulatory reform aimed at strengthening the electricity 
system’s capacity to maintain voltage within appropriate operating 
ranges. However, it was not until October that the door began to open 
for power stations to participate effectively in this service, following 
several months of regulatory and technical adjustments necessary to 
adapt the facilities to the system operator’s new requirements.

The reform of the operating procedure responds to the new context of the 
Spanish electricity system, marked by the growing penetration of 
renewable generation and by episodes of sudden voltage fluctuations 
detected during 2025. The new framework seeks to expand the number of 
facilities capable of providing reactive power and meeting the grid’s 
stability needs, enabling technologies such as wind and solar power to 
begin performing functions that had traditionally fallen to conventional 
synchronous power stations.

Commissioning of facilities

According to data released yesterday by Red Eléctrica, the roll-out of 
the new scheme is beginning to take shape. More than 100 generation 
units have already met the technical requirements for dynamic voltage 
control, and more than 50 facilities are now effectively providing this 
service within the electricity system.

These figures are similar to those contained in the voltage control 
monitoring report published by the National Commission for Markets and 
Competition (CNMC), which analyses the degree of implementation of 
operating procedure 7.4 and the process of authorising facilities. 
According to data compiled by the regulator, with information updated as 
of mid-February, a total of 365 facilities had applied for authorisation 
to participate in the voluntary voltage control service via setpoint 
tracking.

(the article continues on the link, you may need an automatic translator)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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