Re: GNU

From	snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
Subject	Re: GNU
Date	2026-03-18 22:25 +0000
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Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

> On 18/03/26 13:06, Sn!pe wrote:
[...]
> > Is the concept of inertia due to rotating machinery relevant to
> > this?
> 
> Yes and no. There's no short answer, so I'll confine myself to just a
> few comments.
> 
> > I read somewhere that the increasing proportion of non-rotating
> > generating equipment (e.g. solar) was a factor in the Spanish
> > collapse.
> 
> I can't comment on the Spanish case because I don't know enough about
> it. What I do know is this: if anyone tells you there's a simple answer,
> he's talking through his arse.
> 
> When a power system collapses, it's a snowball process. Some adverse
> event, for example a lightning strike, causes a circuit breaker to open,
> taking one transmission line out of service. That causes a
> redistribution of current and power flows. If it so happens that this
> overloads one line, another circuit breaker opens. That again
> redistributes the currents ... I think you can see why I called it a
> snowball.
> 
> To solve that, you build excess capacity into the system. Analysis of
> likely failure modes, usually via simulation, can tell you where extra
> transmission lines are needed, or extra VAR compensators (see below) or
> whatever. But bad luck can also play a part. If that lightning strike
> had hit one hour earlier, it wouldn't have hit a time of peak demand,
> and the system would have recovered.
> 
> Let's talk about frequency stability. If you start up a synchronous
> generator, connected to nothing, it will produce a sinusoidal voltage
> that depends on its speed, and of course the speed depends on the
> (non-electrical) machine that's driving it.
> 
> If you now connect two such machines (and do it carefully enough so that
> the combination doesn't go unstable), they will spontaneously settle on
> a compromise frequency, with the machine with the biggest prime mover
> being the most influential. Add more machines, and soon you'll have so
> much inertia in the system that the mutually agreed frequency remains
> constant despite any disturbances. Of course a sufficiently large
> disturbance can still bring the system down; but the bigger the overall
> power system, the more it is resistant to disturbances.
> 
> Now, in what might seem a digression, let's look at VAR compensation.
> The power flows in the system are actually complex numbers, in the usual
> formulation, having both a real and a reactive part. The reactive power
> might not seem to be doing anything, but in fact the reactive power
> balance can have a major influence on stability. You can improve
> stability by injecting reactive power in the right place(s). This is
> done with what are called VAR compensators.
> 
> The traditional VAR compensator, also known as a synchronous condenser,
> is a rotating machine. In fact, it's just a generator that is not
> producing or consuming any real power. (Apart from the inevitable
> losses.) These days, however, we know how to do the same job with a
> non-rotating electronic device. Which is better? They're both doing the
> same job, so the answer is that they're as good as each other. OK, the
> rotating version is contributing somewhat to frequency stability, but
> it's outvoted by all the other machines in the system. The choice
> between them is purely a matter of cost.
> 
> The big issue is DC vs AC. The rotating generators are all AC devices
> Renewable sources like solar panels produce DC. To connect to the
> network, they must use inverters. Those inverters just synchronise to
> the existing AC network, but they don't contribute to its inertia. If I
> had my druthers, I would run a high-voltage DC network in parallel with
> the existing AC network, and cross-connect them only at a limited number
> of locations. The designers have not chosen to go that way.
> 
> Once you're producing more DC than AC power, the AC subsystem doesn't
> have the same frequency stability as before. That's a solvable problem,
> though. The designers just have to think it through a little harder.
>

Very interesting, Peter, thank you for the explanation.  
 
-- 
^Ï^.          Sn!pe, bird-brain.          My pet rock Gordon just is.

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