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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english |
| Subject | Re: GNU |
| Date | 2026-03-20 11:07 +0100 |
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On 2026-03-20 08:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/03/2026 21:32, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Slight differences in viscosity and additives
>> Yes, but if you start out with frying oil you can make both,
>> (and they only mix in a small proportion)
>
> One of the most expensive ways to make fake fossil fuel
>
>
Hardly. I asked chatgpt:
Q: Can you compare for me the cost of making fuel for diesel engines
from used cooking oil, vs buying gasoil?
A: Here’s a **realistic, numbers-based comparison** for Spain/Europe
(close to your situation in Murcia), focusing specifically on **used
cooking oil (UCO) → biodiesel vs buying diesel (gasoil)**.
---
# 🛢️ 1. Current diesel (gasoil) cost
* Recent Spain figures (2026): about **€1.70–€1.85 per litre at the
pump** ([Reddit][1])
* Without taxes (wholesale): roughly **€0.80–€1.10/L equivalent**
depending on market conditions ([P Market Research][2])
👉 For a normal user, what matters is:
* **Real cost to you:** ~€1.7–1.8/L
---
# ♻️ 2. Cost of making biodiesel from used cooking oil
## A. Raw material (used cooking oil)
* Spain price:
* **€0.30–€0.60 per litre** (filtered)
* as low as **€0.10/L** if raw/unfiltered ([Plant In][3])
## B. Processing costs
You need:
* methanol + catalyst (NaOH/KOH)
* electricity/heat
* filtration, washing, drying
* equipment amortization
Typical small-scale estimate:
* **€0.20–€0.50 per litre**
## C. Total DIY biodiesel cost
👉 **Best case (cheap/free oil):**
* €0.30–€0.70 per litre
👉 **Typical realistic case (buying UCO):**
* €0.60–€1.10 per litre
👉 **Worst case (expensive oil + inefficiencies):**
* €1.20+/L
---
# 📊 3. Direct comparison
| Scenario | Cost per litre | vs diesel |
| ------------------------- | -------------- | ---------------------- |
| Diesel (pump) | €1.7–1.8 | baseline |
| DIY biodiesel (cheap oil) | €0.3–0.7 | ✅ much cheaper |
| DIY biodiesel (typical) | €0.6–1.1 | ✅ cheaper |
| Industrial biodiesel | often €1.2–2.0 | ❌ often more expensive |
---
# ⚠️ 4. Why results vary so much
## 1. Feedstock cost dominates everything
* If you get **free oil (restaurants, own use)** → very cheap fuel
* If you **buy UCO at €0.5/L** → savings shrink a lot
## 2. Scale matters
* Industrial biodiesel is often **more expensive than fossil diesel**
(70–130% higher in many cases) ([T&E][4])
* Small DIY avoids taxes, labor costs, and margins → can be cheaper
## 3. Diesel price volatility
* When oil prices spike, biodiesel can be **20–25% cheaper** ([P Market
Research][2])
* When oil prices fall, biodiesel may be **more expensive**
---
# ⚖️ 5. Hidden costs people often ignore
Even if the raw €/L looks good:
### Legal (important in Spain)
* Making fuel = **regulated activity**
* You may owe:
* fuel taxes
* certification requirements
👉 DIY use is often in a legal grey area
### Time & effort
* Collecting oil
* Filtering, processing (several hours per batch)
### Engine considerations
* Biodiesel (especially homemade):
* can clog filters
* may need engine modifications for high blends
---
# 🧠 Bottom line
👉 **If you have cheap or free used cooking oil:**
* You can realistically produce fuel at **€0.5–1.0/L**
* That’s **30–70% cheaper than diesel**
👉 **If you have to buy the oil:**
* Savings shrink or disappear
* Sometimes barely cheaper than diesel
👉 **At industrial scale:**
* Biodiesel is usually **more expensive than fossil diesel** unless
subsidized
---
# 💡 Simple rule of thumb
* **Free waste oil → worth it**
* **Paid oil → marginal**
* **Large-scale → usually not competitive without subsidies**
---
If you want, I can estimate your **exact cost per litre** based on your
setup (how much oil you can get, equipment, etc.).
[1]:
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1ryrilv/the_spanish_government_will_lower_the_vat_on/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
"The Spanish Government will lower the VAT on petrol, diesel,
electricity and gas to 10%."
[2]:
https://pmarketresearch.com/chemi/uco-biodiesel-market/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
"UCO Biodiesel Market - PW Consulting Chemical & Energy Research Center"
[3]:
https://plantin.alibaba.com/buyingguides/used-cooking-oil-in-spain?utm_source=chatgpt.com
"How to Choose Used Cooking Oil in Spain: A Complete Buyer's Guide"
[4]:
https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/biofuels-are-twice-as-expensive-as-fossil-fuels?utm_source=chatgpt.com
"Biofuels twice as expensive as petrol and diesel in most cases | T&E"
Sources
Reddit
The Spanish Government will lower the VAT on petrol, diesel,
electricity and gas to 10%.
Today
P Market Research
UCO Biodiesel Market - PW Consulting Chemical & Energy Research Center
April 21, 2025
Plant In
How to Choose Used Cooking Oil in Spain: A Complete Buyer's Guide
January 31, 2026
T&E
Biofuels twice as expensive as petrol and diesel in most cases | T&E
June 30, 2022
More
argusmedia.com
Biodiesel premiums sink but EU cap curbs demand | Latest Market News
March 9, 2026 — BIODIESEL PREMIUMS SINK BUT EU CAP CURBS DEMAND *
Spanish Market: Biofuels * 09/03/26 Heavy gains in Ice gasoil futures
have pushed biodiesel premiums to their lowest levels in two years, but
the E...
alibaba.com
How To Choose Used Cooking Oil In Spain: A Complete Buyer's Guide
February 2, 2026 — HOW TO CHOOSE USED COOKING OIL IN SPAIN: A
COMPLETE BUYER'S GUIDE Image: Oliver Bennett Oliver Bennett • February
2, 2026 • 6 min read In Spain, used cooking oil (UCO)—often called
*aceite vegetal u...
renovablesverdes.com
The price of biodiesel for blending with diesel is set at
$1.436.861 per ton.
September 23, 2025 — THE PRICE OF BIODIESEL FOR BLENDING WITH
DIESEL IS SET AT $1.436.861 PER TON. * New minimum price for biodiesel
blending: $1.436.861 per ton (Resolution 377/2025). * Payment to
producers within a ma...
statista.com
Spain: biodiesel monthly price 2025| Statista
July 9, 2025 — MONTHLY PRICE OF BIODIESEL IN SPAIN 2020-2025
Published by Lucía Fernández, Jul 9, 2025 In March 2025, the average
consumer price for biodiesel was around **** euros per liter, while the
price befo...
mckinsey.com
Sustainable fuel: The Iberian green industrial opportunity | McKinsey
March 17, 2025 — 2. COST-COMPETITIVENESS TO DRIVE SUPPLY Spanish
biofuel producers face challenges, which include lower incentives in
comparison to other EU countries, threats from non-EU suppliers, and
changing feed...
nih.gov
Energy and cost analysis of bottom waste cooking oil (B-WCO) based
solid alcohol biofuel and supernatant waste cooking oil (S-WCO) based
biodiesel - PMC
January 23, 2025 — FIG. 2. Open in a new tab Energy use pattern (%)
S-WCO based biodiesel production. During SABF production, no waste is
generated. However, in biodiesel production, wastewater from the wet
washing s...
eib.org
Moeve’s new plant turns used vegetable oils into biofuel
December 2, 2024 — Image OIL OF A DIFFERENT ORIGIN €1.2 billion
plant will turn used vegetable oils and residues into biofuel that can
power heavy transport and aviation By 2 December 2024 Listen Read more
Hot, si...
energymonitor.ai
Biofuels now up to 130% more expensive than fossil fuels - T&E
July 13, 2022 — BIOFUELS NOW UP TO 130% MORE EXPENSIVE THAN FOSSIL
FUELS – T&E The rising price of feedstocks means biofuels are now adding
€17bn a year to Europe's fuel bill, finds a new study from NGO Transport
&...
sciencedirect.com
An approach to the economics of two vegetable oil-based biofuels in
Spain - ScienceDirect
July 1, 2006 — Data bank An approach to the economics of two
vegetable oil-based biofuels in Spain
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.renene.2005.06.010Get rights and content
ABSTRACT Biodiesel is a form of
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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