Re: OT: Israel and Palestine

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: OT: Israel and Palestine
Date	2025-10-14 13:08 +0100
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On 14/10/2025 11:24, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
> 
>> On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:
>>>
>>>> The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
>>>> the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
>>>> doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
>>>> but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
>>>> more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
>>>> road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
>>>
>>> Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
>>> Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
>>> people?
>>>
>>
>> I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
> 
> It has been, at least once by the two parties:
> 
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
> 
> Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
> arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
> level.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
> 
> (And I distinctly remember it being said that, when discussing names for
> the state that ended up as "[State of] Israel", "Palestine" was turned
> down because there was the expectation that it'd be the name of the
> Palestinian state.)
> 
>> It certainly didn't occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the
>> two potential states into one.
> 
> Yeah, the situation with settlements has made this harder to solve (in
> the sense of adhering to the two-state plans). I wish the only point of
> contention were East Jerusalem...
> 

Ultimately you have an irresolvable problem in the Jews Christians and 
Muslims all regard that part if the world as theirs and sacred to them.

Up to around 1960 it got along pretty well, and then people starred 
stirring the shit, and imported all the shouty Marxist ideas and bought 
weapons..

Yemen - gone.
Lebanon - gone.
Syria - Gone
Afghanistan - gone.
Iran - gone.
Iraq - who knows?
Libya...teetering
Egypt..OK for now...

A lot of this is down to Russia of course.



-- 
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will 
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such 
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic 
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally 
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for 
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the 
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

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