Re: OT: Israel and Palestine

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: OT: Israel and Palestine
Date	2025-10-19 11:25 +0100
Organization	A little, after lunch
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On 18/10/2025 20:34, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
>>> ago,
>>> when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
>>> a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
>>
>> Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
>> I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
>> But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
>> found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
>> pillaging, and worse.
>>
>> And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.
> 
> That's about where I stopped. Somehow my reading of Exodus wasn't the same
> as the way it's usually presented. Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery
> in Egypt. With some mumbo jumbo he winds up being the shadow government.
> He writes home to tell his brothers and their friends that the pickings
> are good, come on down. They then corner the grain market and confiscate
> the farmers' output for a government relief program. The taxation
> bankrupts the farmers. During a lean period Joe and the boys sell their
> grain back to them at a premium.
> 
> Finally the pharoah kicks off and the Egyptians realize what a screwing
> they've gotten and are a bit miffed. God arranges a plague or two to put
> the deplorables in their place. That really sets them off so Joe and his
> tribe steal everything that isn't nailed down and decamp to greener
> pastures.
> 
> They find a new place that their tribal god says is all theirs so they
> kill off the people living there. In one of the later ethnic cleansing
> events the tribal god is pissed. 'What's with the fucking goats? When I
> said kill them all, I meant all. Men, women, children. pussy cats, and the
> frigging livestock.'
> 
> I've read the sacred writings of many different religions. Maybe some of
> them got a leg up by deceit and genocide but they generally leave that
> part out, not write it down and take pride in it.
> 
Christianity got there by being excessively useful to the Roman Empire 
as a way of keeping peace between its warring colonial natives.


-- 
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper 
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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