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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: Nuclear plants. |
| Date | 2025-10-03 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <gkr4rlx5im.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
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On 2025-10-03 00:59, Peter Jason wrote: > On 26 Sep 2025 04:53:48 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 19:00:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Of COURSE we have. We know how to confine toxic material in a glass >>> that will absolutely outlast the radioactivity in it. The pellet size >>> lump of this that is each humans contribution is way less lethal than >>> the amount of shit they produce every day. >> >> The US has solved the problem. Nobody wants waste in their backyard so the >> was is in what were meant to be temporary holding ponds or dry casks at >> the plant sites. So far 'temporary' means about 40 years but the clock is >> ticking. > > The Final Solution is to dump the waste at the boundary of a sub > ducting tectonic plate. This is so obvious! I asked chatgpt about this, because I do not remember why it is not a good idea. I paste its answer here: Yes, there are **significant known problems**—both scientific and ethical—with the idea of disposing of nuclear waste at the **boundary of a subducting tectonic plate** (i.e., subduction zones). While the idea might initially seem appealing due to the natural recycling of the Earth's crust, it is **not considered a safe or viable method**. Here's why: --- ### 🧨 1. **Geological Instability** * **Subduction zones** are among the most **geologically active areas on Earth**, prone to: * **Earthquakes** * **Tsunamis** * **Volcanic activity** * Any disturbance could **release radioactive material**, especially before it's subducted deep into the mantle (which would take **millions of years**). --- ### 🕳 2. **Engineering and Accessibility Challenges** * Reaching the actual subduction zone involves: * **Deep-ocean drilling** * **Working at extreme depths and pressures** * Current technology **does not allow precise, secure placement** of waste in such deep and active environments. * If something goes wrong, **retrieval is impossible**. --- ### 🌍 3. **Uncertain Subduction Processes** * While subduction zones do "recycle" crustal material, the exact **fate of sediment and waste** placed there is **not well understood**. * Does it get subducted intact? * Does it get scraped off or mixed into the accretionary wedge? * The material may not be drawn into the mantle, but instead **remain near the surface**, still posing a threat. --- ### ☢️ 4. **Risk of Ocean Contamination** * If waste containers fail (due to corrosion, seismic activity, etc.), there's a direct path for **radioactive materials to leach into the ocean**. * This could **devastate marine ecosystems** and **impact human food chains**. --- ### ⚖️ 5. **Legal and Ethical Barriers** * **International law**, including treaties like the **London Convention** and the **London Protocol**, **prohibits the dumping of radioactive waste in the ocean**. * Public and political opposition to "hiding" waste in the deep ocean is **strong and widespread**. --- ### ✅ Why It Was Considered (and Why It's Rejected) * In the **1970s and 1980s**, some scientists and governments considered subduction zones for waste disposal. * The idea was **eventually dropped** due to: * Technical infeasibility * Environmental risks * Legal restrictions * Unpredictable outcomes --- ### 🔬 What Is the Current Best Practice? * The most widely accepted solution is **deep geological disposal** in **stable continental rock formations**: * **Far from tectonic activity** * Designed for **long-term isolation** of waste (100,000+ years) * Examples: Finland’s **Onkalo** repository, Sweden’s Forsmark site --- ### ✅ In Summary: > **Disposing of nuclear waste at subduction zones is considered unsafe, scientifically unreliable, and illegal under international law.** It's an idea rooted more in theory than in viable engineering or environmental stewardship. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:06 +0100
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Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:10 +0100
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Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 13:08 +0100
Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 18:12 +0000
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Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-10 19:56 +0000
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Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 09:27 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 09:25 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 07:36 +0000
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:20 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 17:27 +0000
OT: STS risks awareness in NASA (was: Re: Nuclear plants.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 11:14 +0100
Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA (was: Re: Nuclear plants.) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-09 19:55 +0000
Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 02:23 -0400
Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 10:14 +0100
Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-10 19:53 +0000
Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 09:21 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:19 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-11 21:18 +0000
Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:09 +0000
Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-12 00:05 -0400
Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-12 11:19 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-12 21:49 +1100
Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-12 12:48 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 18:36 +0000
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:40 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:35 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:33 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 18:30 +0000
Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-09 00:04 +1100
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 14:31 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-10-09 11:04 +1100
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 08:01 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-04 04:59 -0400
Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:06 -0400
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 10:51 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-01 21:52 +1000
Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-01 14:28 +0200
Re: Nuclear plants. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-01 12:44 +0000
Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-01 19:26 +0200
Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-02 01:03 +0000
Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-02 13:45 +0200
Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-02 18:47 +0000
Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-02 21:59 +0200
Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-02 22:11 +0200
Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-02 22:09 +0000
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Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:47 +0100
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Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 18:50 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-26 13:43 +0200
Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 13:04 +0100
Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-26 20:24 +0200
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