Re: Nuclear plants.

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Nuclear plants.
Date	2025-10-07 11:28 +0100
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On 07/10/2025 10:46, Pancho wrote:
> On 10/6/25 21:56, Harold Stevens wrote:
>> In <h4ldrlx2r5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Carlos E.R.:
>>
>> [Snip ...]
>>
>>> Because he is simply wrong. I trust the authorities that prohibit going
>>> there, not him.
>>
>> +1
>>
>> DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!
>>
>> He's a bit late joining other candidates (RIP) for the 2023 Darwin 
>> Awards:
>>
>> <Quote>
>> Russian Soldiers Struck With Radiation Sickness After Digging by 
>> Chernobyl
> 
> You have to be a bit careful about wartime stories, propaganda and whatnot.
> 
This is a story from 2 years ago that was never confirmed by any of the 
'authorities' so beloved of certain posters. The implications being its 
just another bit of fake news, or his precious authorities are lying to 
him and covering it up.

But doublethink is strong in that one.

> A more accurate indicator of the risk in the Chernobyl region might be 
> the wildlife. There have been some consequences, shorter lifespans, 
> evolution to become cancer tolerant. The impact doesn't seem to have 
> been terrible.
> 
One of the more amusing findings was that the wild boars were more 
radioactive than other wildlife, because it seems they like mushrooms, 
and mushrooms seem to be natures way to concentrate radioactivity.
Then they tested wild boars in other parts of the world, and found that 
they, too, were more radioactive than other wildlife....

Its just a wild boar/mushroom thing...


> It is very hard to see how slow, long term release of a small amount of 
> buried nuclear waste would dominate natural background radioactivity, 
> let alone cause a catastrophic effect.
> 
Its worse than that.

First of all a chapter from the late Prof. Cohen's treatise on nuclear 
power is well worth reading, except by those who prefer cosy conformity 
to enlightenment

http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~blc/book/chapter11.html

Elsewhere he makes the point that nuclear waste issues are driven by 
politics and emotion, not by technology or risk benefit analysis.

To the detriment of public safety.

e,g, the best place to store high level waste is in a reactor that's 
been shut down or a fuel pond on site involving the minimum amount of 
transport. And contained in  a site that already has security paid for 
by nuclear power generation.

Moving it is far more risky. Yet people want it 'reprocessed' and 'got 
rid of safely'...

https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/
is a nice little explanation about spent fuel ponds


https://spark.iop.org/radioactive-swimming
Is a story, possibly apocryphal, about swimming in a fuel pond



> Personally, I wouldn't bury transuranic waste, or stuff containing a 
> significant proportion of transuranics. I would store them as they may 
> be useful in future.
> 
Transuranics don't last. It's that simple. That's why they don't exist 
naturally.

Even a lot of the plutonium used to make nuclear warheads may well not 
be pure enough to actually detonate today.

Sure it has a 24,000 year half life, but it still loses some of its 
potency after a few years


> 
> 

-- 
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to 
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

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                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:40 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:35 +0100
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