Re: OT: Israel and Palestine

From	Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: OT: Israel and Palestine
Date	2025-10-18 23:59 +1100
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On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
>> On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:
>>>
>>>> The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
>>>> the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
>>>> doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
>>>> but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
>>>> more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
>>>> road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
>>>
>>> Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
>>> Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
>>> people?
>>
>> I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
> 
> It has been, at least once by the two parties:
> 
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
> 
> Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
> arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
> level.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
> 
> (And I distinctly remember it being said that, when discussing names for
> the state that ended up as "[State of] Israel", "Palestine" was turned
> down because there was the expectation that it'd be the name of the
> Palestinian state.)
> 
>> It certainly didn't occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the
>> two potential states into one.
> 
> Yeah, the situation with settlements has made this harder to solve (in
> the sense of adhering to the two-state plans). I wish the only point of
> contention were East Jerusalem...
> 
Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has 
always intrigued me.

When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...

1.	Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan 
Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one 
"state") or

2.	Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and West 
Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab States.

Or something totally different.

How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical 
areas??

And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years ago, 
when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied 
a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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