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Re: OT: Israel and Palestine

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: OT: Israel and Palestine
Date 2025-10-22 20:25 +0000
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 23:09:14 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

> On 21/10/2025 9:06 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>> On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
>>>>
>>>> It has been, at least once by the two parties:
>>>>
>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/
Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
>>>>
>>>> Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
>>>> arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
>>>
>> [...]
>>> Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has
>>> always intrigued me.
>>>
>>> When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...
>>>
>>> 1.	Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan
>>> Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as
>>> one "state") or
>> 
>> AFAIK this, although as noted in other replies the Golan Heights are a
>> separate matter.
>> 
>>> 2.	Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
>>> West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
>>> States.
>>>
>>> Or something totally different.
>>>
>>> How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical
>>> areas??
>> 
>> See e.g. Russia [1] and the United States of America [2] :-)
>> 
>> [1] https://enwp.org/Kaliningrad_Oblast
> 
> Was not aware of that one.I would have thought when all the other bits
> of USSR broke away, this one would have also gone Independant .... or
> been subsumed into one or other of the 'breakaway' counties.

That would be a hard sell for Russia. It's their only ice free Baltic port 
and home of the Baltic fleet. For all its land mass Russia is short on 
useful sea ports, hence the sensitivity about the Black Sea ports in the 
Crimea. 

After WWI when Poland was recreated and given a corridor to Danzig it 
isolated East Prussia in a similar way. Germany wanted to build a highway 
across the corridor for land access, no entrances or exits in Polish 
territory. Poland refused and it was off to the races.

Alaska has a similar problem. During peak covid Canada closed the border 
and there is no land route from the lower 48 to Alaska.

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  OT: Israel and Palestine (was: Re: Nuclear plants.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:31 +0100
    Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 19:05 +0100
      Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-13 18:49 +0000
        Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:06 +0100
      Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 19:17 +0000
        Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:10 +0100
          Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-18 23:37 +1100
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            Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:11 +0000
    Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 00:26 +0100
      Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:24 +0100
        Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 13:08 +0100
          Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 18:12 +0000
            Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-10-14 15:08 -0500
            Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:04 +0100
        Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-18 23:59 +1100
          Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-18 17:39 +0000
            Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:34 +0000
              Re: OT: Israel and Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 22:47 +0200
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-18 22:17 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:08 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:26 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:48 +0200
              Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:25 +0100
            Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-19 23:35 +1100
          Re: OT: Israel and Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 19:51 +0200
          Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:20 +0000
            Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:23 +0100
            Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-19 23:48 +1100
              Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:36 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:14 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-20 23:40 +1100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:10 +0000
          Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 11:06 +0100
            Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-22 23:09 +1100
              Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:57 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:33 +0000
              Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:25 +0000
              Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 23:46 +0100

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