OT: STS risks awareness in NASA (was: Re: Nuclear plants.)

From	Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	OT: STS risks awareness in NASA (was: Re: Nuclear plants.)
Date	2025-10-09 11:14 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<10c81tp$2ivel$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References	(16 earlier) <10c0m0j$cf58$1@dont-email.me> <10c2iqa$qofe$4@dont-email.me> <10c5497$1er0a$1@dont-email.me> <10c5dtj$1gn95$2@dont-email.me> <10c66un$1ojat$1@dont-email.me>

Cross-posted to 2 groups.

Show all headers | View raw

On 2025-10-08, Chris wrote:

>
> Unless you're a NASA Astronaut/scientist. They objectively know the real
> risk and have parametrised their limits of acceptability. For example, they
> knew the shuttle programme would result in deaths and it was cancelled
> because the failure rate was unacceptably high. 

Actually, didn't they keep STS-107 astronauts in the dark for a long
time about the possible foam impact, and then downplayed it when they
finally told them something, and that disclosure was mostly just in case
the press asked them questions about it? (Recalling this from memory, my
source is likely the CAIB Report?)

I think both STS-107 (LOCV of OV-102 Columbia) and STS-51-L (LOCV of
OV-099 Challenger) have been described as accidents where a significant
amount of people weren't aware of the risks involved, and where on top
of that some people simply pretended the problems didn't exist.

More than having some figures for failure rate, Appendix F of the Rogers
Commission Report covers the vastly varying failure estimations, and
thus paints a bleak picture of the lack of awareness of the true risks.

I think I recall a documentary (possibly from PBS? was it NOVA?) about
STS-107 where the husband of Laurel Blair Salton Clark described
worrying about risks and Laurel telling him "if it were that dangerous,
NASA would tell me". (Not sure if I'm recalling correctly, or how
accurate that is. It was something I watched many years ago.)

-- 
Nuno Silva

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard P. Feynman

Back to comp.os.linux.misc | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar

Thread

Re: Nuclear plants. Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-10-03 08:59 +1000
  Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-03 14:20 +0200
    Re: Nuclear plants. Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-10-04 15:12 +1000
      Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-04 02:01 -0400
        Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 08:02 +0100
        Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-05 21:41 +0200
        Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-05 21:47 +0200
          Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-05 21:08 -0400
            Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 13:37 +0200
              Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-06 13:45 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 10:28 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 10:35 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 11:15 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 11:37 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-09 00:00 +1100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 14:24 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-08 17:31 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:34 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-09 11:29 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 13:10 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-10 23:43 +1100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 23:52 +1100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 13:56 +0100
          Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-05 20:57 -0700
          Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-06 08:52 +0100
            Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-06 05:00 -0400
              Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-06 10:51 +0100
              Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 11:07 +0100
            Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-06 21:49 +1100
              Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-06 13:42 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-06 15:08 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 22:24 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-10-06 15:56 -0500
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 09:31 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 10:46 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 11:28 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-07 13:05 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 12:35 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 12:40 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 13:55 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-07 13:01 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 09:28 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-07 15:39 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-07 15:44 -0400
                Re: Nuclear plants. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-07 19:57 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 09:29 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-08 17:31 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:33 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-09 19:55 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 10:06 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:34 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 14:03 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-10 12:24 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 14:04 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:33 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-11 11:22 +0000
                Genocide "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:46 +0200
                Genocide and terrorism Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-10-13 05:14 +0200
                Re: Genocide c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:04 -0400
                Re: Genocide The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:32 +0100
                Re: Genocide "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 12:06 +0200
                Re: Genocide The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:23 +0100
                Re: Genocide "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 12:50 +0200
                Re: Genocide The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 12:34 +0100
                Re: Genocide "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 09:51 +0200
                Re: Genocide Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 17:45 +0100
                Re: Genocide "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 19:25 +0200
                Re: Genocide "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 12:05 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-12 20:41 +1100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:29 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-12 21:24 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 05:25 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 06:33 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:23 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 18:59 +0000
                israel/Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 12:18 +0200
                Re: israel/Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:29 +0100
                israel/Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 12:15 +0200
                Re: israel/Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:29 +0100
                Re: israel/Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-13 18:51 +0000
                Re: israel/Palestine Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 19:12 +0000
                Re: israel/Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:26 +0200
                Re: israel/Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:09 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-10-13 02:47 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 05:28 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-13 12:47 +0100
                OT: Israel and Palestine (was: Re: Nuclear plants.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:31 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 19:05 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-13 18:49 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:06 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 19:17 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:10 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-18 23:37 +1100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Steve Witkoff <Steve.Witkoff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 13:32 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 19:47 +0200
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:11 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 00:26 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:24 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 13:08 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 18:12 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-10-14 15:08 -0500
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:04 +0100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-18 23:59 +1100
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-18 17:39 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:34 +0000
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 22:47 +0200
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 19:51 +0200
                Re: OT: Israel and Palestine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:20 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 12:20 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-10 09:01 -0700
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-10 19:56 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-10-10 02:35 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 07:32 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 09:27 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 09:25 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 07:36 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:20 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 17:27 +0000
                OT: STS risks awareness in NASA (was: Re: Nuclear plants.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 11:14 +0100
                Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA (was: Re: Nuclear plants.) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-09 19:55 +0000
                Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 02:23 -0400
                Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 10:14 +0100
                Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-10 19:53 +0000
                Re: OT: STS risks awareness in NASA Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 09:21 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:19 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-11 21:18 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:09 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-12 00:05 -0400
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-12 11:19 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-12 21:49 +1100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-12 12:48 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 18:36 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:40 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:35 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:33 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 18:30 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-09 00:04 +1100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 14:31 +0100
        Re: Nuclear plants. Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-10-09 11:04 +1100
      Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 08:01 +0100
        Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-04 04:59 -0400

csiph-web