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Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?

Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Date 2013-01-13 18:30 -0800
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Subject Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?
From gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com>

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On Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:11:11 PM UTC-8, rickman wrote:
> On 1/10/2013 8:52 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> 
> > rickman wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >>> I found another German site which did test a number of heat pumps vs.
> 
> >>> high efficient gas heating systems, and found that all the electric
> 
> >>> heat pumps produced more CO2 (with the German mix) than a gas heating
> 
> >>> system.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> That is a meaningless statistic because the production of CO2 has to
> 
> >> be reduced, not optimized.
> 
> >
> 
> > Well, the statistics mean that we need way more green electricity to
> 
> > make heat pumps viable.  And there are better options for green heating,
> 
> > see below.
> 
> >
> 
> >> I don't know what you mean by "digging a tunnel through the garden".
> 
> >> Are you talking about buried coils for the heatpump?
> 
> >
> 
> > Sort-of.  There are several ways to do it, all of them involve going
> 
> > underground or using underground water to exchange heat with.  That's
> 
> > why I say "dig a tunnel".
> 
> >
> 
> >> When I replaced my heat pump a couple of years ago I talked to a
> 
> >> geo-thermal vendor (that's what they call it even though that is
> 
> >> normally heat from the ground like in Iceland).  They don't even give
> 
> >> you a price, the price of installation depends on what they find in
> 
> >> the ground!  Needless to say I said goodbye to him.
> 
> >
> 
> > Geothermal is better done on larger scale.
> 
> 
> 
> We are talking two different things.  I believe you are talking about 
> 
> true geothermal.  I was talking about using the ground as a heat sink to 
> 
> make the heat pump more efficient.  Doesn't true geothermal require 
> 
> specific geology?  That's why it works in Iceland, they are on top of a 
> 
> hot spot.  Without the hot spot it is a very different proposition.
> 
> 
> 
> I seem to recall a manager talking about working on a geothermal 
> 
> research project in West Virginia many years back.  He said the big 
> 
> problem was the corrosion and mineral buildup in the pipes.  After some 
> 
> years of operation they couldn't keep the facility running.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Gas; in Germany, gas and oil are the dominant sources for heating.
> 
> >>> Electricity is only 20% of the overall household energy consumption.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Then the whole PV electric thing is not so important to the CO2
> 
> >> problem.
> 
> >
> 
> > No, that's kWh of electricity compared to kWh of heating; that's not CO2
> 
> > vs. CO2.  CO2 wise, that's closer to 50/50, so with PV, you can get rid
> 
> > of half of the CO2 a house is producing.  The other half is heating;
> 
> > geothermal as the project in the Pullach shows, is a good option to
> 
> > solve *that* problem.
> 
> 
> 
> You need to explain that one to me.  How does PV replace 20% of the 
> 
> energy a house uses and eliminate 50% of the CO2?  Why would generation 
> 
> of electricity produce 2.5 times the CO2 of heating?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> We are on two pages again.  I thought we were comparing older PV
> 
> >> plants with new PV plants.
> 
> >
> 
> > Ah, I see.  So you think the new PV plant with cheaper panels will just
> 
> > make more profit?  At the moment, in Germany, all PV plants simply sell
> 
> > their energy at the subsidy rate, which is set by the time the plant
> 
> > went online - decreasing every year, so new plants don't make more
> 
> > profit, they just make cheaper energy.  However, this is not exactly a
> 
> > free market.
> 
> 
> 
> Ok, but you were saying it is not smart to build PV when the prices are 
> 
> coming down because the plant will be obsoleted by newer plants.  Now 
> 
> you are saying the older plants get a grandfathered price and so will 
> 
> continue to make money.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> Yeah, I can't imagine they allow wind mills to be installed close to
> 
> >> the shore.  Maybe they should locate the shore further away from the
> 
> >> ocean?
> 
> >
> 
> > We are working on that, it will happen.  The shore will considerably
> 
> > move inwards.
> 
> 
> 
> lol
> 
> 
> 
> Rick

atomic power is the way to go

blast refuse into space, even though french have proven there is less and less refuse as your atomic plant imporoves

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                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-11 02:52 +0100
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                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-01-13 18:30 -0800
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-13 22:54 -0800
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 09:30 -0500
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 14:42 -0800
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-14 15:58 -0800
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-15 02:02 +0100
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 15:00 -0800
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-22 16:57 -0800
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-22 17:21 -0800
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 17:37 -0500
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-14 16:13 -0800
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-01-14 11:10 +0000
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 09:50 -0500
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 09:55 -0500
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-14 09:12 -0600
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-14 22:09 +0100
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 16:17 -0500
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-14 21:20 +0100
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 16:26 -0500
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-15 02:31 +0100
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-15 00:15 -0500
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-17 02:04 +0100
                Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 14:57 -0800
          Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2012-12-23 23:15 -0800
      Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-12-20 17:33 -0800
        Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 17:09 -0500
        Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2012-12-23 22:46 -0800

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