Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?

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Date	2012-12-17 18:00 -0800
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Subject	Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?
From	Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com>

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If you are extremely determined, then you might find a way to study underneath somebody else who has years of successful Forth experience. Maybe find one of the old imbedded systems guys to work under for a few years. Pay a Forther to have them tutor you. Or, you could pay Forth Inc for the privilege of taking their courses.

Or going it alone...

> I cant even figure out how to get anything done in forth

I've never had any problem like that. I went from Atari Basic and 6502 Assembly straight to Forth and never had a problem transitioning. But then again I was always trying to think for myself from first principles even if that is sometimes slow and painful.

I have a theory about this. Some people are just better at coming up with new ideas and at being independent in their approach to solving problems, while other people are naturally inclined to follow in the footsteps of others. Both sides have their advantages and disadvantages. If you are the kind of person who tends to follow others, and to implement what has already been done and to do things the way others have done them before, then you may have a difficult time with Forth, as there are not the same amount of libraries and the same amount of sample codes as there are in a more popular language such as C.

All I can suggest is this, if you look at the problem in a bottom up approach, solving one tiny part of it at a time, rather than looking at the problem as a monolithic whole, then you may get somewhere. For some people, this will be such a large change in thinking and be such a large leap of faith that they will find it impossible to conceive of as a reasonable thing to attempt. But, for those who can make the switch, you will find that Forth indeed is a mental lever of near infinite length.

"Give me a place to stand, and I shall move the Earth with it"

Archimedes.

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