Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?

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Date	2012-12-23 22:51 -0800
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Subject	Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?
From	the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com>

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On Friday, December 21, 2012 4:24:47 PM UTC-5, Jason Damisch wrote:
> > > >> I think USA should switch to atomic power.  Safer than hydro and works
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> How is atomic power safer than hydro?  This sounds completely false to me.
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> > > >unlike most green bs.
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> I suppose that alot of green stuff is bs, but relying solely on atomic power is not the answer either.  If we had Thorium reactors, it might be a different story.
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> > > >Are you from the US?  I don't want to start a big, off topic thread
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> I am from the U.S., not terribly proud of it.  Yes, lets call it the huge Gavino off topic thread.
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> > > >hijack, but nuclear power has one, f'ing huge problem.  No one has a
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> > > >viable solution on how to deal with the waste.  Solves the carbon
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> > > >problem, but creates a longer lived one instead.
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> My impression is that the whole carbon global warming thing is an attempt by people in the establishment left at a power play.  There are countless other environmental problems but somehow they unify all of those problems into the singularistic problem of carbon and global warming.  It might work in terms of the way authoritarian civilized liberals thing, but lets admit that a healthy ecosystem with lots of trees and algae ought to sooner or later absorb any access carbon in the atmosphere.  
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> > > No, you can't say that about nuclear power as such.
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> Nuclear fission is dangerous, especially with the half assed poorly engineered plants they came out with.
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> > > Nuclear fission power has a huge problem.
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> sure
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> > > In comparison nuclear fusion has few.
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> I don't believe that nuclear fusion would ultimately be any more safe than nuclear fission, not that it would produce any less nuclear waste, especially considering that the entire purpose of the nuclear program is to create bombs.
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> > > (For more than 100 years now people have realized that in the end
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> > > the only solution to having unlimited energy is fusion.
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> I am not convinced that it is even possible with the huge multi billion dollar tokamak reactors which are insanely complex.  Complexity solves the problem of employment for engineers.
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> > > We may not need unlimited energy, and get by with using energy
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> > > wisely.)
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> True
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> > getting rid of all foriegn aid would be nice first step.
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> Foreign aid is a strategy of statecraft, and a consequence of the United States being an empire and having conquered most of the rest of the planet.  It is a tool of power.  But, I would expect Gavino as a libertarian to deny that his prosperity is a consequence of his beloved United States dominance over other countries. 
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> > France runs on atomic power, fission, and runs the whole show on it.  They have also figured out how to reprocess the waste.  In any case the waste can be launched into the sun.
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> There is in fact so much nuclear waste that the U.S. government has decided to hollow out an entire mountain to store it in.  That would be quite a huge amount of mass to transport out of the gravity well of the Earth.  Might as well trans-mutate the waste with Thorium reactors, or better still, not create it at all.  
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> > Only reason we don't already have atomic is Israel n oil would be come irrelevant and vested interests block it with politics.  Capitalism would roll over such shenanigans
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> Some people would argue that it is because of Capitalism that we do have such shenanigans.  I would argue rather that civilization itself is institutionalized aggression, in any case whatsoever.  Besides, you can't just blame the Jews, its everybody. 
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> Jason

I would:
end government school
end forign aid
remove 99% of regulations
remove patents
www.fairtax.org remove irs
remove str8 marraige government n legal aspects
allow mass produed housing and private trains
cut gov spengin 90% 
move back to constitional limits
remove case law and replace most lawyers with software
allow private atomic pwoer the likes of south africa invented
allow millions of doctors to be trained
end insurance as we know it, since 0 ppfoit insurnace funds can repalce them
end licensure
have private security fire etc.

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