Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?
Date	2012-12-24 00:51 +0100
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rickman wrote:

> On 12/21/2012 7:23 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>> rickman wrote:
>> Only when you don't take the federal reserve into account, they can
>> "print" money.  And take it out of the system again.  The rest of the
>> economy can only shift money around, usually from the poor to the
>> rich (which means that money has some sort of "gravitation").
> 
> Nonsense.  If you believe the Fed Reserve can do anything remotely
> like "printing money" out of nowhere you are mistaken.  If anyone can
> "print money" and not balance it against some debt, there would be no
> value whatsoever to that currency.

Well, but that's the fact.  The Fed or the ECB are creating money - or 
taking money out of the system.  The Fed does not take a debt anywhere.  
When you want money from the fed, you are in dept, which allows the Fed 
to take that money out of the system again later.

The value of the currency comes from discipline, and is regulated 
through interrest rates.  If there's risk of inflation, the Fed raises 
interrest, if there's risk of deflation, they decrease interrest.  They 
are at constant 0.25% for the last four years, and they probably should 
have gone negative (in times where you can't guarantee as bank that you 
get back 90% of what you give out, even a negative interrest rate is 
tough).

> I'm referring to balancing our wants to what is practically available
> over the long run while considering *all* the impacts.  Talking about
> nuclear power as "clean" energy is just as absurd as "clean" coal.

Yes, coal is one of the most dirty energies.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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