Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet?
Date	2012-12-20 18:18 -0500
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On 12/20/2012 2:44 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Dec 19, 9:26 pm, rickman<gnu...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 12/19/2012 4:17 PM, the_gavino_himself wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I think USA should switch to atomic power.  Safer than hydro and works unlike most green bs.
>>
>> Are you from the US?  I don't want to start a big, off topic thread
>> hijack, but nuclear power has one, f'ing huge problem.  No one has a
>> viable solution on how to deal with the waste.  Solves the carbon
>> problem, but creates a longer lived one instead.
>>
>
> Search for Galen Winsor on YouTube and go watch the lecture he gave in
> the 80's. It's very interesting.
>
> I don't know much about the subject, so I'll not comment any further,
> but you might find his alternative view-point interesting. Galen
> Winsor designed reactor plants for GE.
>
> In fact, to save you looking, here are two very very interesting
> links:
>
> The Nuclear Scare Scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCQrOTE-XA
> A Free Nuclear Economy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x42qi7Fz1L0
>
> In the second video, from 1985 Galen explains the real science behind
> radiation disposal and nuclear energy safety.
>
> If it weren't for his background it would perhaps be very easy to
> dismiss him as a nut-job. As I say, I reserve judgement, but he makes
> some very interesting points. Hopefully you'll enjoy these videos if
> you get the time to watch them - perhaps you'll have a chance over the
> holidays!
>
> Regards
>
> Mark

Sheeee-it!  A hard one to view, very long download.  But when someone 
starts talking about how energy will be too cheap to meter, I tune out. 
  Why does it take an hour and a half to explain why the most dangerous 
substances on earth can be generated safely?  Because they can't and 
this is most likely just a crap load of... well, crap!

If I am wrong I'll happily eat my words.  Maybe I can download it for 
later viewing, but I can't take the time now.  Care to summarize his 
points?  Here are mine...

1) Risk of nuclear accident may be small, but consequences are HUGE. 
Integral will never be small enough.  But most won't care since they 
weren't affected... Fukushima is a good example, it didn't happen in the 
US and most power plants can be run over by a tsunami so no worries, 
right?

2) WTF do we do with nuclear waste that needs to be held for 1 million 
years?!!!  To illustrate the significance of this, they are currently 
examining ways to mark the grounds around any future disposal site so 
that people can understand this is very dangerous stuff long after any 
current languages are forgotten!  REALLY!  Only Hugh's slide rules will 
still be around.

Rick

PS  I just got a small dose of his talk and he mentions the Army manual 
regarding radiation exposure.  The Health Physics Society got them to 
include a statement of "record your dose".  He says if you don't have a 
sunburn, you don't have a problem...  ok, one crackpot down...

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