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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? |
| Date | 2013-01-15 00:15 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <50F4E5FE.8000903@gmail.com> (permalink) |
| References | (15 earlier) <2638854.49rLUgp0ek@sunwukong.fritz.box> <kcvbgr$mvb$1@dont-email.me> <2185843.IAuOGLeBXH@sunwukong.fritz.box> <kd1t9t$ieo$1@dont-email.me> <1632764.Davno7l6Se@sunwukong.fritz.box> |
On 1/14/2013 8:31 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote: > rickman wrote: >> Lol, if you build a 10,000 MW plant you won't be setting any prices >> for electricity. > > In Nevada? The price for electricity in Nevada is set by Hoover dam, > which just produces about 2,080 MW. Ok, that's continuous, so only a > little less than a 10GWp plant there. This gets old. Electricity doesn't have to be generated where it is used. We make electricity all over the country and ship it where people need it, the same as anywhere else. If you shut down the Hoover dam the price of electricity in Nevada would not skyrocket, they would just buy from another state. That happens all the time when one area has to shut down generation for some reason or when peak loads get higher due to local weather or other factors. >> Maybe if you build 100,000 MW of generation you will make >> an impact. But no one is going to build that much PV generation any >> time soon because it would be far too unprofitable. > > We have between 32 and 35GWp PV in Germany today. We install some > 7GWp/year in Germany now. None of which is not competitive. It only exists because of the subsidies. > In Mordor, the lands where the shadows lie, > this is not yet cost effective. But that's all PV that *is* competitive > with conventional electricity in Nevada or Arizona, if you convince the > US government to take its absolutely ridiculous "dumping" import tax > away. They don't want to become green, they tax green energy out of the > market. If you can't understand dumping or why a government has to deal with it, you don't understand economics. > How can you compete with conventional energy, when conventional energy > is subsided, and green energy is taxed by 250%? > >> Before you can >> affect the price of electricity you have to make a profit at the >> current price! > > I think we calculated it through: That would be possible in Nevada. It > just isn't, because the price for a Chinese solar panel in Nevada is 3.5 > times the price for a Chinese solar panel in Germany, due to strong > believe in "free market economy" in the US, whatever newspeak that is > for "protectionism". > > The Chinese panel makers have build up enough capacity that they could > do another 10GWp/year output if they find a market for that. > Considering how badly China is polluted by its own cheap coal, I'd > suggest the Chinese should use their panels themselves. Yes, physician, heal thyself! Rick
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Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-05 03:17 +0100
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 21:23 -0500
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-10 03:44 +0100
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-10 18:03 -0500
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Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 09:30 -0500
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Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 09:50 -0500
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 09:55 -0500
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-14 09:12 -0600
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-14 22:09 +0100
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 16:17 -0500
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Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 16:26 -0500
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-15 02:31 +0100
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-01-15 00:15 -0500
Re: any misc chip desktop pc yet? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-17 02:04 +0100
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