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Re: How is time really organized

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The Starmaker wrote:
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> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Thomas Heger wrote:
> > >
> > > Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 08:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > > Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > >>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natividad Ã…Å¡lusarski wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time called 'now'.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TH
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is here is here..
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is very very far away apart from here.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is everywhere
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is right here.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'W'
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There??
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'T'
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all Here!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Now?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is like...WOW!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over there!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over here it is the same now  as over there.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over there!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time now is...NOW!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now? Yes.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time is Now!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everywhere!!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here or over there?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over here.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> our own past-light-cone.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> TH
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> was eternal time.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The big bang created time in...seconds.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> is garbage.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
> > > >>>>>>>>>> "created" either.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> picture unreal.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
> > > >>>>>>>>>> scene'
> > > >>>>>>>>>> as it took place then.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> (what we can't).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
> > > >>>>>>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
> > > >>>>>>>>>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Earth."
> > > >>>>>>>>>> and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Possibly...
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
> > > >>>>>>>>> and galaxies.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
> > > >>>>>>>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
> > > >>>>>>>>> because you can't do that with light.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
> > > >>>>>>>>> at all.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
> > > >>>>>>>>> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
> > > >>>>>>>>> cannot be solved.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> TH
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> "Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Nature does not hide.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Sure, nature hides lots of things.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
> > > >>>>>>> depending on your eyes and your point of view.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
> > > >>>>>>> something 'real'.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
> > > >>>>>>> narrow spectrum.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
> > > >>>>>>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
> > > >>>>>>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
> > > >>>>>>> exist.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Next nasty thing is time:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> TH
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Of course, they say air is invisible...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> is water invisible to a fish?
> > > >>>> most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> TH
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>   From space it is a Blue Dot.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You can look up and it's blue.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You're walking on air...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Get off my blue dot.
> > > >>>
> > > >> Sure, but the question was slightly different:
> > > >>
> > > >> "is water invisible to a fish?"
> > > >>
> > > >> And since you are not a fish, you don't know, whether or not fish would
> > > >> see water as blue.
> > > >>
> > > >> To me it would make some sense, if the brain of a fish would filter the
> > > >> water out.
> > > >>
> > > >> TH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn't say the ocean where fish live is blue...
> > > >
> > > > I wrote: "Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean
> > > > called...air."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That means, on the ground where people are standing...all the way up to
> > > > the sky is Blue...
> > > >
> > > > you live in an ocean of Air.
> > >
> > > Ok, that's nice very nice poetry, but doesn't cover the question,
> > > whether or not fish would see the water.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >  From toe to all the way up is sky...the blue sky.
> > > >
> > > > The SKY starts on the ground where you stand
> > >
> > > Looks like, but ain't the case.
> > >
> > > > The sky begins on the ground where you stand and goes all the way up to
> > > > the end of sky.
> > > >
> > > > If you have problem with simple terms...
> > > >
> > > > atmosphere is sky.
> > >
> > > That's wrong, because what we call 'sky' goes way beyond the atmosphere.
> > >
> > > TH
> >
> > at·mos·phere
> > /'atm??sfir/
> > noun
> >
> >     the envelope of gases surrounding the earth
> >
> > Why is the sky blue? I guess some of yous still have a problem with that
> > question, i see.
> >
> > Yous haven't even figured out what a "sky" IS.
> >
> > or even agree of it's definition...typical.
> >
> > I understand Germans definition of sky is a cloud.
> >
> > dumbkoff
> 
> I don't why I find myself having to teach Yous people kidergarten physics...
> 
> i mentioned BLUE dot, blue sky...
> 
> An atmosphere is the layer of gases surrounding Earth
> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+atmosphere
> 
> atmosphere(n.)
> 1630s, atmosphaera (modern form from 1670s), "gaseous envelop surrounding the earth," from Modern Latin atmosphaera, from
> Greek atmos "vapor, steam" (see atmo-) + sphaira "sphere" (see sphere).
> In old science, "vaporous air," which was considered a part of the earth and a contamination of the lower part of the air
> https://www.etymonline.com/word/atmosphere
> 
> air(n.1)
> c. 1300, "invisible gases that surround the earth," from Old French air "atmosphere, breeze, weather" (12c.), from Latin aer "air, lower atmosphere, sky
> https://www.etymonline.com/word/air#etymonline_v_8078
> 
> Hell, you guys cannot even agree how many planets are there in your own solar system! Is it 8 or 9, or ten????
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.


The sky, from the ground where I'm standing towards 'up', is only around
60 miles.

Of course, in Germany...when you reach a 'cloud'....kaput.

Yous people are walking around on  'at the bottom' of the ocean
of...air.


In Herr Heger's mind, all the fish are flying in their ...sky.

i guess they never learned how to swim...

I'm in the mood for flying Fish and chips!

I'm gonna open up a can of flying sardines.

WHOA, THAT ONE IS STILL ALIVE!!! CATCH IT!



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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