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Re: How is time really organized

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: How is time really organized
Date 2026-07-23 07:26 +0200
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Am Montag000020, 20.07.2026 um 19:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
  >> This is time.
>>>>>
>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference
>>>>> of the
>>>>> past. Time is something completely else.
>>>>
>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
>>>
>>>
>>> In physics there is nobody interested in the reality.
>>>
>>
>> I'm actually not quite sure what an 'event stamp' could possibly be.
>>
>> Usually points in space do not carry clocks or labels.
>>
>> TH
> 
> 
> an "event stamp" is not measured with clocks...
> 
> if one wants to know which horse won...'by a nose', you
> take a picture of it.
> 
> A photo finish.
> 
> The whole entire universe is measured frame by frame.

This is simply not true!

There ain't no way to make photos of the 'entire universe', because the 
universe is REALLY vast.

What we see and actually call 'universe' isn't universal at all, but is 
physically our own past light-cone.

This past-light-cone is actually depending upon our own position and 
ain't universal at all.

To estimate the topology of the entire universe is actually difficult 
and hardly anybody does that correctly.

My own way goes like this:

I take a usual spacetime diagramm as a certain form of an 
Argand-diagram, hence regard the axis of time as local and imaginary.

This axis of time is 'vertical' to the usual spacelike direction (of the 
observer in question). (This is what the multiplication with i provides.)

Now to any observer belongs an axis of time and a perpendicular 
hyperplane of the present.

Now these hyperplanes can have any directions possible and therefore 
also local times, which are at an angle towards each other or possibly 
also pointing in opposite directions.

So: in the 'real universe' the axis of time is NOT universal. Also the 
local direction of time is NOT universal.

In contrast we have to considere, that timelines exist, which point into 
opposite directions.

This topology requires so called 'complex four vectors' (aka 
'bi-quaternions').

Since harly anybody uses these constructs, hardly anybody understands 
the universe.

> So in one frame, you have two noses that seem equal, but the finish line
> is in a different frame of time.
> One nose is a little ahead of the other nose at the frame of reference,
> relative to the finish line.
> 
The 'universes at an angle' are usually not visible.

You can't see or measure them, even if they are there.

TH

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  Re: How is time really organized Natividad Ślusarski <rsi@val.pl> - 2026-07-17 12:10 +0000
    Re: How is time really organized Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-07-18 00:40 +0200
      Re: How is time really organized Cale Balabuha <eah@baal.ru> - 2026-07-17 23:04 +0000
      Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-18 06:34 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-19 10:44 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-19 15:55 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 06:18 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-20 07:39 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized Ivo Balakirev <vaovb@kkrea.ru> - 2026-07-20 10:12 +0000
            Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:36 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-20 10:44 -0700
            Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-23 07:26 +0200
      Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-20 07:37 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 08:28 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:28 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-22 09:41 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-23 07:33 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-23 07:52 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-20 13:13 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 17:21 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-22 20:44 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-22 22:14 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:41 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-22 20:59 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:48 -0700
        Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:05 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:16 -0700
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