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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: How is time really organized |
| Date | 2026-08-06 22:49 -0700 |
| Organization | The Starmaker Organization |
| Message-ID | <6A7571E7.5BC@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker: > > > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natividad Ślusarski wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> time called 'now'. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> TH > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now... > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Here is here is here.. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Now is very very far away apart from here. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Now is everywhere > > >>>>>>>>>> Here is right here. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'W' > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> There?? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'T' > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> It's all Here! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> What about Now? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Now is like...WOW! > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>> There. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>> over there! > > >>>>>>>>> It's now now. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> over here it is the same now as over there. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>> over there! > > >>>>>>>>> It's now now. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> What time is it now? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The time now is...NOW! > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> What time is it now? Yes. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The time is Now! > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Everywhere!! > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The problem of course is...where does Here begin? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Here or over there? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Over here. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need > > >>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along > > >>>>>> our own past-light-cone. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is > > >>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, > > >>>>>> that THAT would have borders. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, > > >>>>>> because you can't see in that direction. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> TH > > >>>>>> ... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It > > >>>>> was eternal time. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The big bang created time in...seconds. > > >>>> > > >>>> I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory > > >>>> is garbage. > > >>> > > >>> I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word > > >>> "created" either. > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call > > >>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone. > > >>>> > > >>>> That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire > > >>>> picture unreal. > > >>>> > > >>>> What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but > > >>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. > > >>> > > >>> I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like > > >>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime > > >>> scene' > > >>> as it took place then. > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the > > >>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 > > >>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years > > >>>> (what we can't). > > >>> > > >>> You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps > > >>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks > > >>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from > > >>> Earth." > > >>> and they will say..."How did you get this number?" > > >> > > >> Possibly... > > >> > > >> But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'. > > >> > > >> Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars > > >> and galaxies. > > >> > > >> What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be, > > >> because the picture is 'layered in time'. > > >> > > >> To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy, > > >> because you can't do that with light. > > >> > > >> Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible. > > >> > > >> But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist > > >> at all. > > >> > > >> It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of > > >> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions > > >> cannot be solved. > > >> > > >> > > >> TH > > > > > > > > > > > > "Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us? > > > > > > Nature does not hide. > > > > Sure, nature hides lots of things. > > > > What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is > > depending on your eyes and your point of view. > > > > Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly. > > > > It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call > > something 'real'. > > > > Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves. > > > > Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very > > narrow spectrum. > > > > Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something. > > > > E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet > > Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real. > > > > Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes > > do not respond to anything else than em-radiation. > > > > E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they > > exist. > > > > Next nasty thing is time: > > > > you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance. > > > > TH > > I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air. Of course, they say air is invisible... is water invisible to a fish? > > > > > .. > > > > > And you keep bringing up 'distant'... > > > > > > it is not a question of what ISN'T there anymore... > > > > > > but what is there...NOW...in the distant. > > > > > > > > > > > > and they will say..."How did you get this number?" > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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Re: How is time really organized Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-07-18 00:40 +0200
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Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:16 -0700
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