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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: How is time really organized |
| Date | 2026-08-09 10:26 -0700 |
| Organization | The Starmaker Organization |
| Message-ID | <6A78B843.7423@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 08:46 schrieb The Starmaker: > > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > >> > > >> Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natividad ÃÆ’…Å¡lusarski wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej WoÃÆ’…ºniak wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time called 'now'. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TH > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is here is here.. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is very very far away apart from here. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is everywhere > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is right here. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'W' > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There?? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'T' > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all Here! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Now? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is like...WOW! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over there! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over here it is the same now as over there. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over there! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time now is...NOW! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now? Yes. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time is Now! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everywhere!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem of course is...where does Here begin? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here or over there? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over here. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> our own past-light-cone. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that THAT would have borders. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> TH > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It > > >>>>>>>>>>>> was eternal time. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The big bang created time in...seconds. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory > > >>>>>>>>>>> is garbage. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word > > >>>>>>>>>> "created" either. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call > > >>>>>>>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire > > >>>>>>>>>>> picture unreal. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but > > >>>>>>>>>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like > > >>>>>>>>>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime > > >>>>>>>>>> scene' > > >>>>>>>>>> as it took place then. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the > > >>>>>>>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 > > >>>>>>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years > > >>>>>>>>>>> (what we can't). > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps > > >>>>>>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks > > >>>>>>>>>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from > > >>>>>>>>>> Earth." > > >>>>>>>>>> and they will say..."How did you get this number?" > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Possibly... > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars > > >>>>>>>>> and galaxies. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be, > > >>>>>>>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy, > > >>>>>>>>> because you can't do that with light. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist > > >>>>>>>>> at all. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of > > >>>>>>>>> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions > > >>>>>>>>> cannot be solved. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> TH > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> "Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Nature does not hide. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Sure, nature hides lots of things. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is > > >>>>>>> depending on your eyes and your point of view. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call > > >>>>>>> something 'real'. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very > > >>>>>>> narrow spectrum. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet > > >>>>>>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes > > >>>>>>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they > > >>>>>>> exist. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Next nasty thing is time: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> TH > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Of course, they say air is invisible... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> is water invisible to a fish? > > >>>> most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying. > > >>>> > > >>>> ... > > >>>> > > >>>> TH > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Air is visible. The color of air is Blue. > > >>> > > >>> From space it is a Blue Dot. > > >>> > > >>> You can look up and it's blue. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> You're walking on air... > > >>> > > >>> Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air. > > >>> > > >>> Get off my blue dot. > > >>> > > >> Sure, but the question was slightly different: > > >> > > >> "is water invisible to a fish?" > > >> > > >> And since you are not a fish, you don't know, whether or not fish would > > >> see water as blue. > > >> > > >> To me it would make some sense, if the brain of a fish would filter the > > >> water out. > > >> > > >> TH > > > > > > > > > I didn't say the ocean where fish live is blue... > > > > > > I wrote: "Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean > > > called...air." > > > > > > > > > That means, on the ground where people are standing...all the way up to > > > the sky is Blue... > > > > > > you live in an ocean of Air. > > > > Ok, that's nice very nice poetry, but doesn't cover the question, > > whether or not fish would see the water. > > > > > > > > From toe to all the way up is sky...the blue sky. > > > > > > The SKY starts on the ground where you stand > > > > Looks like, but ain't the case. > > > > > The sky begins on the ground where you stand and goes all the way up to > > > the end of sky. > > > > > > If you have problem with simple terms... > > > > > > atmosphere is sky. > > > > That's wrong, because what we call 'sky' goes way beyond the atmosphere. > > > > TH > > at·mos·phere > /'atm??sfir/ > noun > > the envelope of gases surrounding the earth > > Why is the sky blue? I guess some of yous still have a problem with that > question, i see. > > Yous haven't even figured out what a "sky" IS. > > or even agree of it's definition...typical. > > I understand Germans definition of sky is a cloud. > > dumbkoff I don't why I find myself having to teach Yous people kidergarten physics... i mentioned BLUE dot, blue sky... An atmosphere is the layer of gases surrounding Earth https://www.google.com/search?q=define+atmosphere atmosphere(n.) 1630s, atmosphaera (modern form from 1670s), "gaseous envelop surrounding the earth," from Modern Latin atmosphaera, from Greek atmos "vapor, steam" (see atmo-) + sphaira "sphere" (see sphere). In old science, "vaporous air," which was considered a part of the earth and a contamination of the lower part of the air https://www.etymonline.com/word/atmosphere air(n.1) c. 1300, "invisible gases that surround the earth," from Old French air "atmosphere, breeze, weather" (12c.), from Latin aer "air, lower atmosphere, sky https://www.etymonline.com/word/air#etymonline_v_8078 Hell, you guys cannot even agree how many planets are there in your own solar system! Is it 8 or 9, or ten???? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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