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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: How is time really organized |
| Date | 2026-07-26 09:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nclqa8Fdo57U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <6A614152.23C3@ix.netcom.com> <6A63AE5A.375F@ix.netcom.com> <6A63B201.5990@ix.netcom.com> <6A64381C.30C1@ix.netcom.com> <6A64522F.2657@ix.netcom.com> |
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: > The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >>> >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> >>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: >>>>>>>> Natividad Ślusarski wrote: >>>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote: >>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. >>>>>>>>>> This is time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the >>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time. >>>>>>>> The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time >>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do >>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some >>>>>>> time called 'now'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be >>>>>>> somewhere else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TH >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now... >>>> >>>> Here is here is here.. >>>> >>>> Now is very very far away apart from here. >>>> >>>> Now is everywhere >>>> Here is right here. >>>> >>>> Where? >>>> remove the letter 'W' >>>> >>>> There?? >>>> >>>> remove the letter 'T' >>>> >>>> It's all Here! >>>> >>>> What about Now? >>>> >>>> Now is like...WOW! >>> >>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>> >>> Where? >>> There. >>> >>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. >>> >>> Where? >>> over there! >>> It's now now. >>> >>> over here it is the same now as over there. >>> >>> Where? >>> over there! >>> It's now now. >>> >>> What time is it now? >>> >>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>> >>> The time now is...NOW! >>> >>> What time is it now? Yes. >>> >>> The time is Now! >>> >>> Where? >>> >>> Everywhere!! >> >> The problem of course is...where does Here begin? >> >> Here or over there? >> >> Where? >> >> Over here. > > > What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need light so see something and that needs time to travel. So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along our own past-light-cone. THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang. So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, that THAT would have borders. But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, because you can't see in that direction. TH ...
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How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-17 13:36 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Natividad Ślusarski <rsi@val.pl> - 2026-07-17 12:10 +0000
Re: How is time really organized Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-07-18 00:40 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Cale Balabuha <eah@baal.ru> - 2026-07-17 23:04 +0000
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-18 06:34 +0200
Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-19 10:44 +0200
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-19 15:55 -0700
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 06:18 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-20 07:39 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Ivo Balakirev <vaovb@kkrea.ru> - 2026-07-20 10:12 +0000
Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:36 +0200
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-20 10:44 -0700
Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-23 07:26 +0200
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-23 09:26 -0700
Re: How is time really organized Fayv Bakharev <kerv@aaaah.ru> - 2026-07-23 18:10 +0000
Re: How is time really organized Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 15:16 -0700
Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-20 07:37 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 08:28 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:28 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-22 09:41 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-23 07:33 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-23 07:52 +0200
Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-20 13:13 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 17:21 +0200
Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-22 20:44 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-22 22:14 +0200
Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-23 13:56 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-23 14:45 +0200
Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-24 12:02 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-24 12:41 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Barton Valetov <btaovl@lln.ru> - 2026-07-23 12:54 +0000
Re: How is time really organized Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2026-07-23 15:54 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 08:31 -0700
Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:41 +0200
Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-22 20:59 +0200
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:48 -0700
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:05 -0700
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:16 -0700
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 11:26 -0700
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 11:42 -0700
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 21:14 -0700
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 23:05 -0700
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-25 11:29 -0700
Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-26 09:12 +0200
Re: How is time really organized Vidal Bahovtsev <tald@lb.ru> - 2026-07-26 13:33 +0000
Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:21 -0700
Re: How is time really organized Dolph Bazulev <vblpb@vuu.ru> - 2026-07-23 21:16 +0000
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