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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: How is time really organized |
| Date | 2026-08-09 01:12 -0700 |
| Organization | The Starmaker Organization |
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Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 08:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>
> >> Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natividad Ã…Å¡lusarski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time called 'now'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TH
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is here is here..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is very very far away apart from here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is everywhere
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is right here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'W'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There??
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'T'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all Here!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Now?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is like...WOW!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over there!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over here it is the same now as over there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over there!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time now is...NOW!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now? Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time is Now!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everywhere!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here or over there?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> our own past-light-cone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TH
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
> >>>>>>>>>>>> was eternal time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The big bang created time in...seconds.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
> >>>>>>>>>>> is garbage.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
> >>>>>>>>>> "created" either.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
> >>>>>>>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
> >>>>>>>>>>> picture unreal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
> >>>>>>>>>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
> >>>>>>>>>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
> >>>>>>>>>> scene'
> >>>>>>>>>> as it took place then.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
> >>>>>>>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
> >>>>>>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
> >>>>>>>>>>> (what we can't).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
> >>>>>>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
> >>>>>>>>>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
> >>>>>>>>>> Earth."
> >>>>>>>>>> and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Possibly...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
> >>>>>>>>> and galaxies.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
> >>>>>>>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
> >>>>>>>>> because you can't do that with light.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
> >>>>>>>>> at all.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
> >>>>>>>>> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
> >>>>>>>>> cannot be solved.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> TH
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nature does not hide.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sure, nature hides lots of things.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
> >>>>>>> depending on your eyes and your point of view.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
> >>>>>>> something 'real'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
> >>>>>>> narrow spectrum.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
> >>>>>>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
> >>>>>>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
> >>>>>>> exist.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Next nasty thing is time:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> TH
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course, they say air is invisible...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is water invisible to a fish?
> >>>> most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
> >>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> TH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.
> >>>
> >>> From space it is a Blue Dot.
> >>>
> >>> You can look up and it's blue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You're walking on air...
> >>>
> >>> Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air.
> >>>
> >>> Get off my blue dot.
> >>>
> >> Sure, but the question was slightly different:
> >>
> >> "is water invisible to a fish?"
> >>
> >> And since you are not a fish, you don't know, whether or not fish would
> >> see water as blue.
> >>
> >> To me it would make some sense, if the brain of a fish would filter the
> >> water out.
> >>
> >> TH
> >
> >
> > I didn't say the ocean where fish live is blue...
> >
> > I wrote: "Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean
> > called...air."
> >
> >
> > That means, on the ground where people are standing...all the way up to
> > the sky is Blue...
> >
> > you live in an ocean of Air.
>
> Ok, that's nice very nice poetry, but doesn't cover the question,
> whether or not fish would see the water.
>
> >
> > From toe to all the way up is sky...the blue sky.
> >
> > The SKY starts on the ground where you stand
>
> Looks like, but ain't the case.
>
> > The sky begins on the ground where you stand and goes all the way up to
> > the end of sky.
> >
> > If you have problem with simple terms...
> >
> > atmosphere is sky.
>
> That's wrong, because what we call 'sky' goes way beyond the atmosphere.
>
> TH
at·mos·phere
/'atm??sfir/
noun
the envelope of gases surrounding the earth
Why is the sky blue? I guess some of yous still have a problem with that
question, i see.
Yous haven't even figured out what a "sky" IS.
or even agree of it's definition...typical.
I understand Germans definition of sky is a cloud.
dumbkoff
--
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
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