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Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT'

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From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT'
Date Mon, 14 Mar 2022 11:00:53 +0100
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Am 13.03.2022 um 14:39 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>
>
> Den 13.03.2022 09:28, skrev Thomas Heger:
>> Am 12.03.2022 um 21:17 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But let us go back to Einstein's example with an electron in
>>> a magnetic field:
>>>
>>> Let us have a large area with a constant vertical magnetic field B⃗.
>> No
>>
>> You cannot have an area, which is large enough to be constant in
>> value, while allowing streight approach at the same time.
>>
>> So we need a finite extension of the magnet and let the electron
>> approach from way beyond that field.
>>
>> this would disallow a homogenic field, because the field strength
>> would become higher on approach, while decreasing on departure.
>
> Meaningless babble.
> https://tinyurl.com/y93vgd3b
> This is a cyclotron. It is a large area with vertical magnetic field.
> The spiral is the trajectory of an electron.
>

That machine does exist, but was most likely not, what Einstein has meant.

I had the impression he was dicussing the case, where the electron came 
flying by along the x-axis and encounters the field of a magnet at the 
zero spot of K.

But this field is not evenly distributed.

In a cyclotron-like scenario, the electron had to start within the 
field, what would not really fit to 'fly along the x-axis'.

>
>>> The force  F⃗(t) on the electron will be:
>>>    F⃗(t) = -(ε/c)⋅(v⃗(t) X B⃗)  (CGS units used by Einstein) (1)
>>> where  ε = unit charge
>>
>> Yes and no
>
> It is obvious from the context that 'unit charge' here
> is neither Colomb nor Franklin, but a unit proton charge.
> So the electron charge is -ε.
>

That is actually true.

But the first occurance of the word 'electron' was meant as 'point like 
electric unit pole'. Such units of the cgs-system were so called 'Franklin'.

The field of that 'unit pole' he wanted to measure 'e.g. with a spring 
balance', by what we can safely exclude a single particle, also called 
'electron'.

Now the ambiguity of the terms is not beneficial for the clarity of the 
text (to say the least), hence I have counted this as an error.

...

TH

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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-20 22:23 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-21 08:56 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-21 11:52 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-21 04:43 -0700
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-21 21:26 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-14 12:18 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-15 08:24 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-03-15 17:17 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-22 09:36 +0100
      Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-08 19:15 -0500

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