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Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT'

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT'
Date	2022-03-16 21:04 +0100
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Am 16.03.2022 um 11:16 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>> Am 15.03.2022 um 19:37 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>> Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2022 2:47 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Am 14.03.2022 um 16:58 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>>>>>> On 3/14/2022 5:46 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I have actually trouble to understand you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you tye a string to a pole and pull on it, this will definetely
>>>>>>> apply a force onto the pole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why in the world would you reject that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now connect the rope to a stone and swing it around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The stone has the tendency to fly in streight lines, hence pulls on
>>>>>>> the string, if you pull into the other direction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both forces are exactly equal in magnitude, but have opposite
>>>>>>> directions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pull of the stone is called 'centrifugal force' and your pull
>>>>>>> 'centripetal force'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not 'two different things', but 'different perspectives on the
>>>>>>> same thing'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In an inertial frame, there is a single centripetal force accelerating
>>>>>> the stone inward away from the natural straight line. The centrifugal
>>>>>> 'force' is considered a pseudo-force and is not real.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In an (obviously) NON-inertial rotating frame with the pole, string and
>>>>>> stone are stationary (that is, rotating along with the
>>>>>> stone/string/pole), there are two balanced forces on the stone. The
>>>>>> centripetal force of the rope and centrifugal force on the stone
>>>>>> outward.  If the string breaks, the stone will accelerate away from the
>>>>>> pole (initially) due to the centrifugal force, just like any other force
>>>>>> does.  The centrifugal force is real in this non-inertial frame,
>>>>>> non-inertial because Newton's Laws don't hold.  That is, the
>>>>>> 'stationary' stone moves on its own.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rotating frames of reference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that is at least odd.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they are odd, and confusing, and not common.
>>>
>>> Well, our everyday experience is a rotating reference frame. And that’s why
>>> people for tens of thousands of years believed the sun, moon, and stars
>>> orbited the earth. That’s why we have hurricanes and tornados. That’s why
>>> cannonballs land to one side of the intended target, even on windless days.
>>>
>>
>> Rotation of the Earth is not our usual experience.
>
> The effects of the rotation of the earth are all over our common
> experience.  That we misattribute those effects to a different explanation
> is a side effect.

Sure, we have day and night and seasons. But these effects of rotations 
are visible, while the rotation itself is not.

This is so for obvious reasons, because we sit on the Earth and move 
with it.

We can see movements only, if something changes in the image in our 
eyes. Since we sit (or stand..) on the Earth, we cannot see the Earth 
rotating. What rotates is the sky.

Now we usually assume, the stars do not rotate, hence provide some kind 
of reference.

But in fact we don't that for sure, because we cannot see, where the 
distant stars are now, because to see them would require eventually 
millions of years.

Possibly the entire universe rotates, but we do not know, since we 
cannot look outside.

Therefore it is actually possible to say, that we stand still and the 
stars rotate around the Earth,

It is not particularily likely the case, but actually a possible setting.

>>
>> Our everyday experience is what I would call 'self centered': everybody
>> sees the world with the own eyes and experiences the world from the own
>> standpoint, which is different for everyone.
>>
>> The rotation is a phenomenon, which produces observable effects, while
>> the rotation itself cannot be seen, because we are co-moving.
>
> Well, except that it can be seen. All that has to happen is that customary
> assumptions be dropped and alternates considered. Then those effects all
> have a common and easily understood and calculated accounted.

'To see' is something, which should be done with care in cosmology, 
since the universe we see is not real as we see that.

What we see in the sky is actually an image, we receive from the past.

since 'further away is also longer ago', that image is also 'stacked in 
time', hence heavily distorted.

The real thing is, unfortunately, unknown.

>>
>> That is actually ok, hence we can regard our own point of view as valid
>> as every other view, though different.
>
> The laws of physics and the accounting of phenomena are simpler in
> nonrotating frames.
>

Non rotating frames are actually correct. But I have not criticised 
them, but the statement, that rotating frames are equivalent to 
nonrotating ones.

The problem is, that we do not know whether non-rotating frames would 
rotate or not.

Usually people think, that would follow from the previous statement.

But the universe is most likely not a simple space with 3 dimensions, 
while the previous statement would depend on that assumption.

TH

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  Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-10 03:36 -0500
  Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-10 12:46 +0100
    Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 11:48 +0000
    Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-11 06:57 +0100
      Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-11 13:03 +0000
        Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-12 08:34 +0100
          Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 15:06 +0000
            Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-13 08:54 +0100
              Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-13 04:14 -0400
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-13 10:11 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-13 20:35 -0400
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-14 10:33 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-14 13:37 -0400
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-14 10:01 +0000
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 21:03 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-17 07:43 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-17 10:07 +0000
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-21 12:09 +0000
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-22 09:41 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-23 09:17 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-15 07:47 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-15 14:17 -0400
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 05:07 -0700
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 10:16 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-16 21:04 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-16 22:02 -0400
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-17 07:47 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-17 10:24 -0400
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-14 10:50 +0100
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        Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-13 09:28 +0100
          Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-03-13 12:45 +0100
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            Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-14 11:00 +0100
              Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-14 12:27 -0400
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-17 15:02 -0400
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-18 03:18 -0400
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-19 07:45 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-16 03:16 -0400
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-16 21:09 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-16 21:15 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-03-17 13:48 +0200
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-18 08:16 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-03-18 13:05 +0200
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-19 07:50 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-03-19 13:05 +0200
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-20 08:47 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-03-20 13:04 +0200
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-21 08:27 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-03-21 11:13 +0200
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-21 20:58 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-03-22 19:32 +0200
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-22 17:09 -0400
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-15 22:14 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-20 22:23 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-21 08:56 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-21 11:52 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-21 04:43 -0700
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-21 21:26 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-22 22:40 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-23 09:55 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-23 11:19 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-24 08:54 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-24 15:00 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Takabe Matsumura <tamu@frdesn.jp> - 2022-03-24 17:35 +0000
          Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-14 12:18 +0000
            Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-15 08:24 +0100
            Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-03-15 17:17 +0100
              Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-22 09:36 +0100

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