Re: OT: The other Apple Drive

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject	Re: OT: The other Apple Drive
Date	2015-09-21 09:56 +1000
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JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> There is no certification of cars like that.

> The fact that Google has had to get special permit from California
> to put a prototype on public roads leads me to believe that there
> will be some sort of certification process for self driving cars.

More fool you. Even you should have noticed that cars
currently require a licensed driver driving them, so its
hardly surprising that a special permit is required before
you can have a prototype self driving car on public roads.

> At the most simple level, the software will need
> to pass a driver's test, just as every driver does.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> But it is much more likely that the car will need extensive
> certification, especially if it has totally different manual
> steering (think joystick like on Airbus planes).

I bet there is no certification anything like what heavys have.

>> And the crash testing can certainly be done in secret.

> yes it can. But crash avoidance is the more difficult part.

You were the one who brought up crash testing, not crash avoidance.

> The other aspect is that any manufacturer of self driving
> cars will want to brag about increased safety/reliability
> of their car well before it hits the market.

And Apple may choose to do that at announcement time.

> If Apple were to unveil its car next week, nobody would trust it to be 
> safe

Some would, if only because they realise that Apple
doesn’t fuck up designs very often at all and fixes the
problem quickly when they do manage to fuck up.

> because nobody has seen it driving around, there hasn't been
> any media coverage of it or youtubes of how it handles in traffic.

There will be plenty who will buy an Apple self driving car
as soon as they can get hold of one and the media will be
happy to perve on how well it performs and will no doubt
deliberately put it into situations which are likely to be
hard to handle well to see how well it does handle that.

I bet kids will jump out in front of self driving cars just for sport.

> Google has made a few videos that show how the car's computers does
> the situation awareness and creates boxes and direction verctors for any
> moving portion, as well as road boundaries. And it is still a long way
> before it can convince the general public that its cars won't kill them
> if they are in another car, bike or on foot  and then convicne the
> public they should actually buy the car.

> Apple's secrecy won't work here.

Bet it does.

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OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-18 18:01 -0400
  Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 18:33 -0400
    Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-18 19:00 -0400
      Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 16:19 -0700
        Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 19:52 -0400
          Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 17:26 -0700
            Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 20:55 -0400
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 18:09 -0700
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-25 02:27 -0700
            Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 05:40 +0000
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 22:54 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 06:43 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 02:56 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 00:18 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 06:56 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 05:05 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 10:19 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 08:30 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:25 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 22:38 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:54 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 19:07 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:18 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:35 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:02 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 09:02 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 16:05 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:32 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 18:49 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-20 10:36 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:51 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 12:19 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 04:57 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 12:30 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 16:38 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 13:20 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 17:39 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 13:49 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 20:34 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 17:24 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 15:38 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 22:42 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-20 10:40 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2015-09-19 21:00 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 12:37 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 20:28 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-19 19:43 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 15:46 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:30 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:36 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:07 -0400
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 06:59 -0700
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 10:13 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 08:20 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 16:49 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:29 -0400
          Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 14:34 +1000
            Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 01:28 -0400
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 22:45 -0700
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-19 18:05 +1200
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 16:35 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 23:56 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 17:29 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 12:15 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 04:54 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 12:23 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 13:24 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 13:52 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 09:43 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 16:52 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 17:10 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 14:08 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 00:08 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:48 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 16:52 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:23 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:34 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:44 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:58 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 08:05 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 15:51 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:20 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 16:02 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 06:19 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 13:47 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:57 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 09:12 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 17:19 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 16:07 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 16:38 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 17:40 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 18:57 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-21 06:15 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-21 09:23 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-22 05:12 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:32 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-21 07:48 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 13:15 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 21:23 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 16:07 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:31 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-21 17:08 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 23:12 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 22:56 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 19:23 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 23:43 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 20:20 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:42 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 20:18 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-21 02:51 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:25 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 15:52 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:00 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:49 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:47 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 16:58 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:38 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:19 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:18 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 10:46 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 22:37 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 08:53 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-25 02:40 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 19:46 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 16:57 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 20:37 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 17:50 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 11:20 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 11:16 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 14:16 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:20 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:34 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 09:39 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:39 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 10:50 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:53 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 16:50 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 08:37 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 19:21 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:56 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 16:03 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:39 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 18:50 -0400
    Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 16:15 -0700
      Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 17:49 -0700
        Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 18:18 -0700
          Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 21:24 -0400
          Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 18:49 -0700
            Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 18:54 -0700
    Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 17:35 -0700
      Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-19 11:16 +0000
      Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 10:04 -0400
    Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-19 13:20 +1200

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