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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone |
| Subject | Re: OT: The other Apple Drive |
| Date | 2015-09-20 15:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6831hFdmo7U4@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (15 earlier) <55fe3124$0$6343$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com> <LfadncIfwvz7XGPInZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@giganews.com> <d67uetFckevU5@mid.individual.net> <slrnmvthmd.2fiv.g.kreme@amelia.local> <V4adncfyS5JiUmPInZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@giganews.com> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 11:25:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2015-09-20 10:44, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <d67uetFckevU5@mid.individual.net>
>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 10:23:34 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>>> On 2015-09-20 00:08, JF Mezei wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, that is an issue. However, it is easier to make a coal fired
>>>>> power plant "cleaner" than making 1000 gasoline/diesel cars cleaner.
>>>>
>>>> No. It isn't. There is no such thing as a clean coal burning plant.
>>>> It is a marketing label used assuage lawmakers. There are "cleaner"
>>>> plants and "dirtier" plants but there are absolutely no clean coal
>>>> plants.
>>
>>> Which is exactly what was said. Note the 'cleaner' in the post??
>>
>> But cars are *very* clean. The exhaust coming out of my 2006 (that is
>> to say, not new) is clean enough to breath. That old trope of killing
>> yourself by breathing the car exhaust hasn't worked in at least 20
>> years, and the exhaust from my 10 year-old car is indistinguishable to
>> my nose from the normal air.
>
> If your car is gasoline powered then you can't escape the CO coming out
> of the tailpipe. It is deadly poisonous (prevents oxygen from binding
> to red blood cells).
>
> So in the interest of your self preservation I do suggest you don't try
> to prove me wrong.
>
> That said, today's cars are indeed far less polluting.
>
> Except VW diesels of course. VW is facing $18B in fines from the EPA
> alone. (Yes, "B").
>
> When the firmware is fixed so the cars meet standards, owners will then
> probably class action VW to its knees. ('Cause performance (torque,
> mileage) will suffer when the cars are NOx compliant).
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/09/18/us/politics/ap-us-epa-
volkswagen.html
I didn't know that about VW diesels. They make much noise about 'clean
diesel'!
--
Lloyd
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Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 19:07 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:18 -0400
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Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 15:38 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 22:42 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-20 10:40 +1000
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Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 15:46 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:30 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:36 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:07 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 06:59 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 10:13 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 08:20 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 16:49 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:29 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 14:34 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 01:28 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 22:45 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-19 18:05 +1200
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 16:35 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 23:56 -0700
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Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 12:23 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 13:24 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 13:52 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 09:43 +1200
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 16:52 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 17:10 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 14:08 +1200
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 00:08 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:48 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 16:52 +1200
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:23 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:34 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:44 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:58 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 08:05 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 15:51 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:20 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 16:02 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 06:19 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 13:47 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:57 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 09:12 +1200
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 17:19 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 16:07 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 16:38 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 17:40 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 18:57 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-21 06:15 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-21 09:23 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-22 05:12 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:32 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-21 07:48 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 13:15 +1200
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 21:23 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 16:07 +1200
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:31 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-21 17:08 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 23:12 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 22:56 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 19:23 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 23:43 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 20:20 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:42 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 20:18 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-21 02:51 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:25 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 15:52 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:00 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:49 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:47 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 16:58 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:38 +0000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:19 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:18 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 10:46 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 22:37 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 08:53 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 19:46 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 16:57 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 20:37 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 17:50 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 11:20 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 11:16 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 14:16 +1200
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:20 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:34 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 09:39 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:39 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 10:50 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:53 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 16:50 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 08:37 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 19:21 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:56 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 16:03 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:39 +1000
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 18:50 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 16:15 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 17:49 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 18:18 -0700
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 21:24 -0400
Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 18:49 -0700
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Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 17:35 -0700
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Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-19 13:20 +1200
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