Re: OT: The other Apple Drive

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject	Re: OT: The other Apple Drive
Date	2015-09-20 05:05 +1000
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References	(7 earlier) <2015091822544139911-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <55fd040b$0$1657$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <190920150256445090%nospam@nospam.invalid> <2015091900180014004-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <190920150656358521%nospam@nospam.invalid>

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"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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> In article <2015091900180014004-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> >>> BTW: Both Yosemite and Tahoe in the winter, (between storms) are 
>> >>> great.
>> >>> Sequoia, not so much. Just don't get caught on I-80 or CA-50 in a 
>> >>> storm
>> >>> when the chain advisaries are in effect.
>> >>
>> >> Not a problem with a 4WD car with snow tires.
>> >
>> > or any car with snow tires.
>>
>> However, the average Californian driving from the Bay Area to the
>> Sierra ski resorts for a weekend doesn't own snow tires. So, if he/she
>> is prepared he/she will carry a set of chains. If they have gambled,
>> and do not have the set of chains they risk not making it to their
>> destination, or getting home if the need arises on the return trip.
>> They are also at the mercy of the snow chain predators, selling chains
>> at 300-400% markup at the inspection spots.
>
> the average californian can't drive in rain without crashing, nevermind
> snow. so it's no surprise they have chain requirements, even when the
> snowfall is mild. it's actually a bit comical how frightened people
> get.
>
>> >> You get to stay in your
>> >> warm car and drive by the people who are crawling on their bellies in
>> >> the slush to install chains. I've done it. It's fun. :-)
>> >
>> > 4wd does not trump the laws of physics and those who know how to drive
>> > in snow can drive past the idiots in 4wd who ran off the road.
>>
>> Well we all know that you are perfect at all you do. However, we are
>> talking compliance with the California vehicle Code as it applies when
>> chains are mandatory, and the allowances for snow tire clad 4WD
>> vehicles. The laws and regulations are very different to those back
>> East when it comes to driving in extreme Winter conditions.
>
> that's because people in the east coast and midwest know how to drive
> in snow.
>
> they don't bother with chains except in very extreme conditions which
> are well in excess of what causes a chain advisory in california, such
> as the 7 *feet* of snow buffalo had in a *single* storm last november.
>
>> ...and there are just as many idiots driving RWD and FWD vehicles as
>> there are idiots driving ice and snow worthy 4WD vehicles. Not all 4WDs
>> perform well on ice and snow.
>
> that's the point. a lot of people get a 4wd vehicle and think they no
> longer have anything to worry about. those people not only put
> themselves at risk but, they put everyone *else* at risk.
>
>> I learned my winter driving in snow in 2WD pickups and rear wheel drive
>> cars in UpState NY around Syracuse, Utica, and up in the Adirondacks.
>> There was no shortage of ice and snow there.
>
> you may have, but californians as a whole sure didn't.
>
> as i said, californians have a rough time in *rain*. you can get a good
> idea of the weather just by listening to traffic reports. if there are
> more than the usual number of crashes being reported, then it's
> raining.

Just as true of a soggy little island like Britain.

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OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-18 18:01 -0400
  Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 18:33 -0400
    Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-18 19:00 -0400
      Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 16:19 -0700
        Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 19:52 -0400
          Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 17:26 -0700
            Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 20:55 -0400
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 18:09 -0700
            Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 05:40 +0000
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 22:54 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 06:43 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 02:56 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 00:18 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 06:56 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 05:05 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 10:19 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 08:30 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:25 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 22:38 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:54 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 19:07 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:18 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:35 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:02 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 09:02 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 16:05 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:32 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 18:49 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-20 10:36 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:51 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 12:19 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 04:57 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 12:30 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 16:38 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 13:20 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 17:39 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 13:49 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 20:34 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 17:24 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 15:38 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 22:42 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-20 10:40 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2015-09-19 21:00 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 12:37 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 20:28 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-19 19:43 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-19 15:46 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:30 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:36 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:07 -0400
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 06:59 -0700
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 10:13 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 08:20 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-19 16:49 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 18:29 -0400
          Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 14:34 +1000
            Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 01:28 -0400
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 22:45 -0700
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-19 18:05 +1200
              Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 16:35 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 23:56 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 17:29 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 12:15 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 04:54 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 12:23 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 13:24 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 13:52 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 09:43 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 16:52 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 17:10 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 14:08 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 00:08 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:48 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 16:52 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:23 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:34 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:44 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 14:58 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 08:05 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 15:51 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:20 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 16:02 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 06:19 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 13:47 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:57 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 09:12 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 17:19 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 16:07 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 16:38 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 17:40 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 18:57 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-21 06:15 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-21 09:23 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-09-22 05:12 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:32 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-21 07:48 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 13:15 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 21:23 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-21 16:07 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:31 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-21 17:08 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 23:12 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 22:56 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 19:23 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 23:43 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 20:20 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 07:42 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 20:18 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-21 02:51 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:25 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 15:52 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:00 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:49 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:47 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 16:58 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-20 14:38 +0000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:19 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:18 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 10:46 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-19 22:37 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 08:53 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 19:46 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 16:57 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-19 20:37 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-19 17:50 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 11:20 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 11:16 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-20 14:16 +1200
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 10:20 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:34 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 09:39 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 13:39 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-20 10:50 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:53 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 16:50 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 08:37 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-20 19:21 -0400
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:56 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-20 16:03 -0700
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 04:39 +1000
                Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-20 18:50 -0400
    Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 16:15 -0700
      Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 17:49 -0700
        Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 18:18 -0700
          Re: OT: The other Apple Drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-18 21:24 -0400
          Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 18:49 -0700
            Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-18 18:54 -0700
    Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-18 17:35 -0700
      Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-19 11:16 +0000
      Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-19 10:04 -0400
    Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-19 13:20 +1200

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