Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Rod Speed" Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:56:50 +1000 Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <55fc9149$0$43521$b1db1813$e2fc9064@news.astraweb.com> <2015091816195071006-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <55fca3aa$0$4204$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com> <55fcf294$0$31272$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> <55fd8a37$0$9124$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> <190920151324165294%michelle@michelle.org> <55fdf3ef$0$62988$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com> <55fee01d$0$43899$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com> <200920150939582025%michelle@michelle.org> <55feef67$0$35483$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com> <55ff1c19$0$57908$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com> <55ff3f5d$0$19890$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net aJDoXr3DVGnGnD5ZskXGmQm8ZpTOv7ZRffma+vXADE9Jjv93I= Cancel-Lock: sha1:+B2qfh8MHqc3xWxY3lsAMh1RAK4= In-Reply-To: <55ff3f5d$0$19890$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:80080 misc.phone.mobile.iphone:78137 JF Mezei wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> There is no certification of cars like that. > The fact that Google has had to get special permit from California > to put a prototype on public roads leads me to believe that there > will be some sort of certification process for self driving cars. More fool you. Even you should have noticed that cars currently require a licensed driver driving them, so its hardly surprising that a special permit is required before you can have a prototype self driving car on public roads. > At the most simple level, the software will need > to pass a driver's test, just as every driver does. Even sillier than you usually manage. > But it is much more likely that the car will need extensive > certification, especially if it has totally different manual > steering (think joystick like on Airbus planes). I bet there is no certification anything like what heavys have. >> And the crash testing can certainly be done in secret. > yes it can. But crash avoidance is the more difficult part. You were the one who brought up crash testing, not crash avoidance. > The other aspect is that any manufacturer of self driving > cars will want to brag about increased safety/reliability > of their car well before it hits the market. And Apple may choose to do that at announcement time. > If Apple were to unveil its car next week, nobody would trust it to be > safe Some would, if only because they realise that Apple doesn’t fuck up designs very often at all and fixes the problem quickly when they do manage to fuck up. > because nobody has seen it driving around, there hasn't been > any media coverage of it or youtubes of how it handles in traffic. There will be plenty who will buy an Apple self driving car as soon as they can get hold of one and the media will be happy to perve on how well it performs and will no doubt deliberately put it into situations which are likely to be hard to handle well to see how well it does handle that. I bet kids will jump out in front of self driving cars just for sport. > Google has made a few videos that show how the car's computers does > the situation awareness and creates boxes and direction verctors for any > moving portion, as well as road boundaries. And it is still a long way > before it can convince the general public that its cars won't kill them > if they are in another car, bike or on foot and then convicne the > public they should actually buy the car. > Apple's secrecy won't work here. Bet it does.