Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters? Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 08:53:43 -0700 Lines: 112 Message-ID: References: <9d2dnRPZhcVVxIjLnZ2dnUU7-budnZ2d@earthlink.com> <081020150919487421%YourName@YourISP.com> <081020151328490976%YourName@YourISP.com> <081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com> <081020151816395444%YourName@YourISP.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net vfLOqT2ANBXCXpushlU0rw4jzF/tjA5cavEzPIuZavn2NeGSfI Cancel-Lock: sha1:z4lYcjDoQhHUoxoyXbGDrGWCR+4= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Thread-Topic: Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters? Thread-Index: AdEB4YH0toKktyLXckCO8eAOqaVAmA== Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.apps:32507 comp.sys.mac.system:82507 On 10/7/15, 11:03 PM, in article d7mfa2F31ejU1@mid.individual.net, "Jolly Roger" wrote: > Your Name wrote: >> In article , Snit >> wrote: >>> On 10/7/15, 6:12 PM, in article 081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com, >>> "Your Name" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound ridiculous to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually sounds pretty cool... though I would want it reversed from the >>>>>>> description. Less likely to accidently repeat that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Force Touch" is a ridiculous invention ... not only is it >>>>>> counter-intuitive (why would you push something harder and expect a >>>>>> different result??) it now encourages kids and numbnuts to break things >>>>>> by going around pushing things harder to try and get them to do >>>>>> something different. :-\ >>>>> >>>>> How much experience do you have with the new "3D Touch" devices? >>>> >>>> How is pushing something harder not counter-intuitive?? Do you push the >>>> light switch harder to make the lights go brighter or even change >>>> colour?? Does chewing a piece of cheese harder suddenly turn it into a >>>> doughnut?? >>> >>> Do you open a file to get to a window? >>> Do you move a mouse and to point to a file? >>> Do you touch a sheet of paper once to select it and twice to open it? >>> Do you press space to get a quick look at something? >>> >>> If you take these things too literally they make NO sense at all. You have >>> to accept that the main goal is to use the technology to make an experience >>> as "clean" and easy to use as you can. >>> >>> Pressing a bit harder is sort of like Quick Look or a contextual menu... >>> whichever makes more sense. Pressing harder again is like double clicking. >>> It makes a lot of sense to me though I admit I have no personal experience >>> with it. >> >> But it's not intuitive. No novice user is ever going to try pressing >> the screen or trackpad harder. > > Bull. They have only have to see it once to get it. It's not a complex > concept at all. I worked in computer labs when mice first started becoming popular. Macs had them and our UNIX stations had them - even light-based ones, which confused people so I put up a sign saying "UNIX mice have no balls". My boss had me that that down for some reason. :) But I digress. When users who were used to just a keyboard first were confronted with a mouse it was not "intuitive". Why would I move this thing on the desk, which you oddly call a mouse, to make an arrow on a screen move? And why would I click its left button to do one thing and its right button to do another? How do I know which is which? Heck, even a few years ago I was teaching intro classes, largely to seniors, and once I introduced "right click" from then on if I said "click such-and-such" people would ask "left click or right"? I quickly learned to note that "click" means "left click". Even that got confusing for the left handed students who had mice buttons swapped to work better for them - so it became "left click" is your primary click and "right click" is your secondary click... which might be your left if you are left handed. Sorry, folks, I know that is odd but you have to get used to hearing "right click" to mean that. None of that is "intuitive" until you get used to a computer. I suspect 3D Touch / Force Touch is much the same. >> Just like the ridiculous mutli-finger gestures, > > We get it - anything new is "ridiculous" to you. I have seen videos of cats and frogs figuring out the basics of a touch screen. I suspect most humans can do a bit more. :) Still, I can see where you need to be careful with what one finger vs. two vs. three mean. I have an ancient iPod Touch and mostly just use one finger, except for pinch and zoom. >> you have to be taught about them and remember them, which >> completely defeats the entire purpose of Apple's original user >> guidelines (which of course these days they've completely changed >> anyway). > > Big deal. You see someone pinch to zoom once and you know how to do it. > Nothing complicated about it and it's far easier than remembering menu > commands etc. Pinch and zoom are about as easy as you can get... but it does matter if there is a delay. >> The added stupidity of "Force Touch" is that it functions differently >> in different places / applications ... and sometimes not at all (which >> could lead to many broken sensors). > > How many sensors have been broken? I am sure he has a list. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: * Mint KDE working with folders: * Mint KDE creating files: * Mint KDE help: * Mint KDE general navigation: * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: * OS / Word Processor Comparison: